Re: Fun with C

["George P." <george.priv@gmail.com>]

On Apr 17, 3:35 pm, Elias Salomão Helou Neto <eshn...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On Apr 17, 1:15 pm, KK6GM <mjsi...@scriptoriumdesigns.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 16, 11:59 pm, Georg Bauhaus <rm.dash-bauh...@futureapps.de>
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> > > On 4/17/11 8:26 AM, KK6GM wrote:
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> > > > Wow and wow.  I've been writing C all my adult life and I didn't
> > > > realize this could or would happen.  I would have said that the
> > > > unsigned would be promoted to signed.
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> > > > I'm going to include this example in my push to use Ada in our next
> > > > project.
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> > > Be careful that there are no C savvy people around.
> > > You are demonstrating a lack of understanding of C basics!
> > > ("Stupid!")
> > > That lack is not (in their view, and it's their view that counts)
> > > a good start for asking for a different language.
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> > > Had you read section 2.7 of K&R (or A.6), you'd have expected
> > > the result you got: arithmetic operators will convert their
> > > arguments following the rules of the C language definition.
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> > Yes, I understand how the "stupid" argument works in the C community.
> > I'm going to ask some other programmers tomorrow and see how many of
> > them get this right.  I'm guessing our situation will be similar to
> > the situation at the OP's workplace, where presumably competent
> > programmers still got clobbered by this language-legal insanity.
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> Most programmers are competent in their views. Few really are and it
> does not matter what is the actual language. For example, looks like
> you feel you are competent in C, but are you?
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> "I would expect unsigned to int conversion" is just unacceptable!
> Someone has written a line of code without knowing what it does. Is it
> a language problem? Not that C is spectacular, but blaming the
> language here is not fair. Minimally competent C programmers do know
> about such conversions. If you don't you suck as a C programmer. If
> you suck as a C programmer, please do not try to advocate any other
> language over it, this _is_ stupid!
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> Maybe Ada over C is a smart choice, but advocating it without having a
> strong knowledge of both is unacceptable.- Hide quoted text -
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Seems that someone never worked on projects of more then few thousand
lines of code, supports multiple hardware platforms and yes after
programming for 30+ years in it can tell C sucks.

Wonder if sudden acceleration in Toyota cars was not caused by
"intuitive" C typing conversions.

G.