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From: KK6GM <mjsilva@scriptoriumdesigns.com>
Subject: Re: Fun with C
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:45:25 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2011-04-20T08:45:25-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dfff1364-bef3-4478-b79b-9c527375c3f7@17g2000prr.googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: iolptq$cpb$1@dont-email.me

On Apr 19, 10:11 pm, "J-P. Rosen" <ro...@adalog.fr> wrote:
> Le 17/04/2011 21:19, Elias Salom o Helou Neto a crit :
>
> > All reasonable men will try to learn the language before programming.
> > The mentioned behavior is the one C is supposed to have, whether you
> > like it or not. It one of the first thing I teach in my C classes:
> > type promotions in expression. They may be dumb, or may not, I will
> > not argue on that. But being reasonable is knowing the tool before
> > trying to use it.
>
> I really wonder why there are barriers on balconies. All reasonable
> people know that being too close to the edge of the balcony is dangerous.
>
> Here is a quote from one of the first books on C, written by K&R:
> "C was designed under the assumption that the programmer is someone
> reasonable who knows what he is doing".
>
> Here is a quote from the introduction to the Ada LRM:
> "Ada was designed with consideration for programming as a human activity"
>
> I let as a philosophy homework that these two starting point led to
> completely different languages.

A simple extrapolation of a 2002 study puts the worldwide cost of
buggy software at about $350 billion today.  1/3 of that cost is
incurred by developers, 2/3 by end users.  I want to know who these
reasonable developers are who are OK with losing $120 billion per year
using "popular" languages when all the data points to languages that
could reduce that figure dramatically.

And I'd like to know what their customers would think (the customers
who are losing $240 billion a year) if they knew that they were being
sold buggy software even though there were proven languages that could
reduce that loss dramatically.

So, by what standard is the use of C "reasonable"?



  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-20 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-16 17:02 Fun with C George P.
2011-04-16 20:04 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-04-16 21:12   ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-04-16 21:42     ` jimmaureenrogers
2011-04-17  7:17     ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-17  8:29       ` Martin
2011-04-17 18:19       ` George P.
2011-04-17  8:40     ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-18  1:04     ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-04-18  2:14       ` George P.
2011-04-16 22:03   ` George P.
2011-04-17  6:26 ` KK6GM
2011-04-17  6:59   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-17 16:15     ` KK6GM
2011-04-17 19:35       ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-17 20:18         ` KK6GM
2011-04-18 19:47           ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-18 22:11             ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-04-17 22:26         ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-18 19:12           ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-18 20:56             ` KK6GM
2011-04-18 21:01             ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-18 21:20               ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-04-19  2:43                 ` George P.
2011-04-19 18:05                   ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-04-19 19:34                     ` George P.
2011-04-19 20:08                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-19  1:10               ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-19 14:28                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-19 17:40                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-04-21 14:52                   ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-21 18:58                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-21 19:27                       ` Hyman Rosen
2011-04-28  5:13                         ` David Thompson
2011-04-28 13:41                           ` Hyman Rosen
2011-05-05  8:39                             ` David Thompson
2011-04-25 11:06                 ` Paul Colin Gloster
2011-04-25 11:00                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-25 12:12                     ` Martin
2011-04-25 18:39                       ` Paul Colin Gloster
2011-05-08 23:41           ` wilso
2011-05-20 10:41             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-20 16:04               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-04-18  0:12         ` George P.
2011-04-18 19:24           ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-19  1:22             ` George P.
2011-04-19  2:06               ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-19  2:37                 ` Bill Findlay
2011-04-19  3:00                 ` George P.
2011-04-17 19:19 ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-17 23:26   ` Gautier write-only
2011-04-17 23:43     ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-04-18 19:16       ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-18 23:10         ` Randy Brukardt
2011-04-19  1:36           ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-20 23:14             ` Randy Brukardt
2011-04-21 16:19               ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-21 17:36                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-21 17:43                   ` Hyman Rosen
2011-04-21 19:44                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-22  6:16                   ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-22  9:21                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-22 13:18                       ` Hyman Rosen
2011-04-22 15:17                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-23  2:08                       ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-23  7:23                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-23  9:42                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-23 10:23                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-23 18:37                           ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-23 21:36                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-24 11:27                               ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-04-24 13:53                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-24 19:07                                   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-04-24 19:46                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-24 21:20                                       ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-04-24 22:33                                         ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-25  7:09                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-25 20:46                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-04-25 21:19                                             ` George P.
2011-04-26  6:18                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-26  6:58                                               ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-04-26  8:39                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-26 20:57                                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-04-27  8:00                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-27  8:19                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-27  9:32                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-28  7:02                                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-04-28  7:41                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-28 10:24                                                       ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-04-28 13:56                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-03  1:19                                                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-05-03  6:05                                                             ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-03  6:15                                                               ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-03  7:43                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-03 15:34                                                               ` Bill Findlay
2011-05-03  7:53                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-03  9:29                                                             ` Simon Wright
2011-04-24 22:23                                       ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-25  7:10                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-24 20:37                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-23 15:23                         ` George P.
2011-04-23 17:28                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-04-23 17:52                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-04-23 18:11                               ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-04-23 20:47                               ` George P.
2011-04-24 11:36                                 ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-04-25 11:43                                   ` Paul Colin Gloster
2011-04-23 16:56                         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-04-23 18:45                           ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-22 12:15                     ` J-P. Rosen
2011-04-22 14:56                       ` Niklas Holsti
2011-04-21 23:29                 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-04-22  6:29                   ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-25 11:22                 ` Paul Colin Gloster
2011-04-18 19:13     ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-20  5:11   ` J-P. Rosen
2011-04-20 15:45     ` KK6GM [this message]
2011-04-20 19:04     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-04-20 21:09       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-04-20 22:52         ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-04-21 14:18     ` Elias Salomão Helou Neto
2011-04-21 16:22       ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-04-21 19:25         ` John B. Matthews
2011-04-23 23:07 ` Gerd
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