From: Berend de Boer <berend@xsol.com>
Subject: Re: Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 11:36:21 +1200
Date: 2004-06-01T11:36:21+12:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ullj8i2yy.fsf@xsol.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 40BB2B98.3010307@noplace.com
>>>>> "Marin" == Marin David Condic <nobody@noplace.com> writes:
Marin> Or is it that Ada just doesn't bring enough advantage to a
Marin> development effort and it wouldn't show on the bottom line?
True, no proof exist for this. Competent programmers write good, clear
and maintainable programs regardless of the language (except Perl
perhaps).
There is no absolute, undeniable proof that using Eiffel or Ada does
make this process faster. There is no proof that debugging time is
drastically less. There is no proof that maintainance is lower.
There is no proof that even it it was the case it matters more than
10% of the total budget.
Don't get me wrong, I'm using Eiffel and believe that those languages
make a difference to the bottom line, but it is just belief.
And even if there were really hard facts, would that alter a lot? Just
look at other sciences and pseudo-sciences. Facts don't alter human
behaviour.
--
Regards,
Berend. (-:
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2004-05-30 11:46 Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Per Dalgas Jakobsen
2004-05-30 16:13 ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-30 18:03 ` Luke A. Guest
2004-05-30 19:09 ` Per Dalgas Jakobsen
2004-05-31 2:28 ` Richard Riehle
2004-05-31 15:33 ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-01 2:56 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-01 14:51 ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-07 16:29 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-07 17:44 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-08 16:09 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-08 17:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-08 20:38 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-08 22:23 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-09 2:27 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-09 4:41 ` I R T
2004-06-09 6:43 ` Richard Riehle
2004-06-10 6:53 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-12 3:16 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-09 6:39 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-09 7:44 ` I R T
2004-06-09 12:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-09 12:34 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-09 21:13 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-10 2:51 ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-10 15:57 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-10 17:18 ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-10 12:13 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-11 12:48 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-11 17:31 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-14 2:30 ` Berend de Boer
2004-06-14 2:47 ` I R T
2004-06-14 3:10 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-14 11:49 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-14 16:28 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-14 17:34 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 11:35 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 23:02 ` Brian May
2004-06-16 11:37 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-21 14:56 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-23 20:19 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-15 16:30 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 11:26 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 16:43 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 18:51 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 21:02 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 22:01 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 22:08 ` Ed Falis
2004-06-15 22:26 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 15:50 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-17 16:12 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 21:05 ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-17 21:47 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 22:18 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-18 5:19 ` Brian May
2004-06-18 14:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-17 23:02 ` Brian May
2004-06-18 7:50 ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-19 20:40 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-19 18:10 ` Ragged arrays of strings (Was: Improving Ada's image) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-20 22:01 ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-19 20:54 ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-20 2:20 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-20 4:24 ` tmoran
2004-06-20 15:06 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2004-06-21 15:30 ` Enum'Image (Was: Improving Ada's image) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-21 16:06 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2004-06-21 16:53 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-22 21:38 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-23 15:42 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-23 17:15 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-22 13:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-23 16:04 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-25 0:07 ` Enum'Image Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-25 15:55 ` Enum'Image Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-23 20:29 ` Enum'Image (Was: Improving Ada's image) Randy Brukardt
2004-06-23 23:35 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2004-06-25 0:15 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-26 5:11 ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-27 1:00 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-27 2:33 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-15 23:30 ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-06-15 21:59 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-25 4:21 ` Enum'Image (Was: Improving Ada's image) Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-15 19:28 ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-15 21:04 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 22:13 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-16 0:05 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-15 22:08 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 23:06 ` tmoran
2004-06-16 11:47 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-17 1:33 ` Brian May
2004-06-17 12:09 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-16 0:56 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-16 11:54 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 1:21 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-07-01 4:08 ` Dave Thompson
2004-07-04 19:00 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-14 11:45 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-14 13:20 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-15 11:39 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-19 23:14 ` Pylinius
2004-06-15 11:41 ` David Starner
2004-06-15 16:29 ` Richard Riehle
2004-06-15 17:06 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-11 17:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-11 18:56 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-11 23:23 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-12 3:08 ` Ada BIND was: " Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-12 12:03 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-12 12:47 ` Jeff C,
2004-06-13 12:22 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-14 16:33 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-13 6:08 ` Russ
2004-06-13 10:28 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-13 14:49 ` Stephen Leake
2004-06-13 20:51 ` Russ
2004-06-13 23:15 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-14 2:09 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 0:02 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-15 2:40 ` Brian May
2004-06-15 12:46 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-15 18:53 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-15 22:09 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-07-01 4:08 ` Dave Thompson
2004-06-14 16:43 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 11:47 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 16:21 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 19:36 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-15 19:51 ` Björn Persson
2004-06-16 13:44 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-15 22:13 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 22:32 ` Björn Persson
2004-06-15 23:04 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 23:23 ` Brian May
2004-06-15 23:26 ` tmoran
2004-06-16 18:11 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-06-15 23:33 ` Björn Persson
2004-06-15 23:18 ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-06-15 23:22 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 23:37 ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-06-15 23:59 ` Björn Persson
2004-06-16 13:38 ` Ada BIND was: Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-09 10:52 ` Ada operating systems Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-09 12:07 ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-11 7:05 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-11 15:07 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-09 12:32 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 20:34 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-08 19:51 ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-08 22:26 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-09 4:39 ` I R T
2004-06-09 8:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-09 12:42 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-09 12:38 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-09 16:23 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-09 16:38 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-09 20:51 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-10 12:43 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 19:55 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-09 23:45 ` Richard Riehle
2004-06-10 12:58 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-11 18:03 ` Russ
2004-06-14 16:16 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-01 2:45 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-04 17:24 ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics (why not Universities?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-04 18:46 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-07 12:58 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-07 17:11 ` Ada in colleges and universities Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-07 17:29 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-07 19:47 ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-07 18:39 ` Björn Persson
2004-06-07 18:55 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-07 19:21 ` Jerome Hugues
2004-06-07 19:27 ` (see below)
2004-06-07 19:44 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-08 1:14 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-07 22:06 ` Björn Persson
2004-06-07 22:17 ` (see below)
2004-06-08 9:30 ` Adrian Knoth
2004-06-08 17:12 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-08 18:19 ` Adrian Knoth
2004-06-08 9:53 ` Jano
2004-06-09 8:55 ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-07 19:53 ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-07 21:54 ` Björn Persson
2004-06-09 3:52 ` I R T
2004-06-09 12:51 ` Björn Persson
2004-06-10 2:58 ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-07 22:03 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-06-08 0:16 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-08 5:12 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-06-08 16:14 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-06 13:34 ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics (why not Universities?) Ralph W. Reid
2004-06-07 2:38 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-05-30 18:47 ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Richard Riehle
2004-05-31 12:57 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-31 23:36 ` Berend de Boer [this message]
2004-06-01 0:41 ` tmoran
2004-06-01 11:04 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-01 14:44 ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-01 18:43 ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-07 16:35 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-05-31 12:45 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-31 20:55 ` Improving Ada's image Björn Persson
2004-06-01 0:41 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-01 11:23 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-01 2:40 ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Hyman Rosen
2004-06-01 21:14 ` Per Dalgas Jakobsen
2004-06-02 1:12 ` Ed Falis
2004-06-02 10:59 ` Stefan Nobis
2004-06-03 4:19 ` Jeffrey Carter
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2004-05-31 9:22 Rod Chapman
2004-06-01 11:30 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-18 14:43 abrandon
2004-06-18 17:49 ` Wes Groleau
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