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From: "Per Dalgas Jakobsen" <i@hate.spam>
Subject: Re: Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:09:18 +0200
Date: 2004-05-30T21:09:18+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <40ba315a$0$254$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: pan.2004.05.30.18.03.35.769965@n_o_p_o_r_k_a_n_d_h_a_m.abyss2.demon.co.uk

>>> But how can we get the attention of the executives?
>>> Let the brainstorm start ;-)
>>
>> That's the real problem :)
>
> No, the real problem is that executives = management and management =
> morons and morons are in charge.

Well, I understand your view, but I have (almost) never seen a person that
acted irrational, when seing things from a certain point of view.
That view might not be yours for several reasons, one being that you know
more about some stuff than they do or visa versa.

I have more than once looked at a decision and thought: "Now they went mad",
but later found out that the stuff have become a political "hot potato".
Again, reasonable seing stuff from the political angle, but completely
old-fashioned-foot-shooting seing it from a any other angle.
The problem being most project managers do not have the courage to put their
reputation at stake to make an unorthodox decision, because all the other
project managers will know immediately where to point fingers if the project
runs off track, disregarding the real reason (the majority are right...).

Thats why it makes no sense to try forcing Ada from the bottom up (even
though Linux seems to have accomplished that to a certain extend), but let
it enter at top level and let the executives suggest it, so the project
managers have their backs free.


One way to get their attention could be to suggest Berkeley or Oxford (or
whoever makes these kinds of analyses) to make a thorough investigations
based on real business cases, with help from "people in the business" = us,
and make them do all the economical consequence maths, for very small
projects with no safety critical issues, to very large projects with all the
whistles and bells.

If (or hopefully when) their results shows that the current accepted
business model with C/C++ is a very bumpy one, and that a business model
based on Ada would result in a significant profit and lower risk, then I'm
pretty sure that such a result will be published in all financial magazines
world-wide.
Software is big business, and a low-risk path to increased profit is
something that will generate a "certain" interest.


So anyone knows a (preferably respected) business university professor that
might be interested? ;-)

Per





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Thread overview: 216+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-30 11:46 Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Per Dalgas Jakobsen
2004-05-30 16:13 ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-30 18:03   ` Luke A. Guest
2004-05-30 19:09     ` Per Dalgas Jakobsen [this message]
2004-05-31  2:28       ` Richard  Riehle
2004-05-31 15:33         ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-01  2:56           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-01 14:51             ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-07 16:29             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-07 17:44               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-08 16:09                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-08 17:30                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-08 20:38                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-08 22:23                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-09  2:27                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-09  4:41                           ` I R T
2004-06-09  6:43                             ` Richard  Riehle
2004-06-10  6:53                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-12  3:16                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-09  6:39                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-09  7:44                             ` I R T
2004-06-09 12:13                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-09 12:34                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-09 21:13                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-10  2:51                                 ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-10 15:57                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-10 17:18                                     ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-10 12:13                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-11 12:48                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-11 17:31                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-14  2:30                                   ` Berend de Boer
2004-06-14  2:47                                     ` I R T
2004-06-14  3:10                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-14 11:49                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-14 16:28                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-14 17:34                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 11:35                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 23:02                                               ` Brian May
2004-06-16 11:37                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-21 14:56                                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-23 20:19                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-15 16:30                                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 11:26                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 16:43                                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 18:51                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 21:02                                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 22:01                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 22:08                                                     ` Ed Falis
2004-06-15 22:26                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 15:50                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-17 16:12                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 21:05                                                             ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-17 21:47                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 22:18                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-18  5:19                                                                   ` Brian May
2004-06-18 14:44                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-17 23:02                                                               ` Brian May
2004-06-18  7:50                                                                 ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-19 20:40                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-19 18:10                                                               ` Ragged arrays of strings (Was: Improving Ada's image) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-20 22:01                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-19 20:54                                                             ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-20  2:20                                                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-20  4:24                                                               ` tmoran
2004-06-20 15:06                                                               ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2004-06-21 15:30                                                                 ` Enum'Image (Was: Improving Ada's image) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-21 16:06                                                                   ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2004-06-21 16:53                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-22 21:38                                                                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-23 15:42                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-23 17:15                                                                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-22 13:26                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-23 16:04                                                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-25  0:07                                                                     ` Enum'Image Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-25 15:55                                                                       ` Enum'Image Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-23 20:29                                                                   ` Enum'Image (Was: Improving Ada's image) Randy Brukardt
2004-06-23 23:35                                                                     ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2004-06-25  0:15                                                                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-26  5:11                                                               ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-27  1:00                                                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-27  2:33                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-15 23:30                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-06-15 21:59                                               ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-25  4:21                                               ` Enum'Image (Was: Improving Ada's image) Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-15 19:28                                             ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-15 21:04                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 22:13                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-16  0:05                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-15 22:08                                               ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 23:06                                                 ` tmoran
2004-06-16 11:47                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-17  1:33                                                     ` Brian May
2004-06-17 12:09                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-16  0:56                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-16 11:54                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15  1:21                                       ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-07-01  4:08                                         ` Dave Thompson
2004-07-04 19:00                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-14 11:45                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-14 13:20                                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-15 11:39                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-19 23:14                                         ` Pylinius
2004-06-15 11:41                                     ` David Starner
2004-06-15 16:29                                       ` Richard  Riehle
2004-06-15 17:06                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-11 17:53                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-11 18:56                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-11 23:23                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-12  3:08                                     ` Ada BIND was: " Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-12 12:03                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-12 12:47                                         ` Jeff C,
2004-06-13 12:22                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-14 16:33                                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-13  6:08                                         ` Russ
2004-06-13 10:28                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-13 14:49                                             ` Stephen Leake
2004-06-13 20:51                                             ` Russ
2004-06-13 23:15                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-14  2:09                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15  0:02                                               ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-15  2:40                                                 ` Brian May
2004-06-15 12:46                                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-15 18:53                                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-15 22:09                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-07-01  4:08                                                   ` Dave Thompson
2004-06-14 16:43                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 11:47                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 16:21                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 19:36                                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-15 19:51                                                 ` Björn Persson
2004-06-16 13:44                                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-15 22:13                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 22:32                                                   ` Björn Persson
2004-06-15 23:04                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 23:23                                                       ` Brian May
2004-06-15 23:26                                                       ` tmoran
2004-06-16 18:11                                                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-06-15 23:33                                                       ` Björn Persson
2004-06-15 23:18                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-06-15 23:22                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 23:37                                                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-06-15 23:59                                                       ` Björn Persson
2004-06-16 13:38                                         ` Ada BIND was: Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-09 10:52                           ` Ada operating systems Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-09 12:07                         ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-11  7:05                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-11 15:07                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-09 12:32                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 20:34                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-08 19:51                   ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-08 22:26                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-09  4:39                   ` I R T
2004-06-09  8:13                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-09 12:42                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-09 12:38                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-09 16:23                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-09 16:38                       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-09 20:51                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-10 12:43                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 19:55                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-09 23:45                 ` Richard  Riehle
2004-06-10 12:58                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-11 18:03                   ` Russ
2004-06-14 16:16                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-01  2:45         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-04 17:24       ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics (why not Universities?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-04 18:46         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-07 12:58           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-07 17:11             ` Ada in colleges and universities Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-07 17:29               ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-07 19:47                 ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-07 18:39               ` Björn Persson
2004-06-07 18:55                 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-07 19:21                   ` Jerome Hugues
2004-06-07 19:27                   ` (see below)
2004-06-07 19:44                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-08  1:14                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-07 22:06                   ` Björn Persson
2004-06-07 22:17                     ` (see below)
2004-06-08  9:30                   ` Adrian Knoth
2004-06-08 17:12                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-08 18:19                       ` Adrian Knoth
2004-06-08  9:53                   ` Jano
2004-06-09  8:55                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-07 19:53                 ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-07 21:54                   ` Björn Persson
2004-06-09  3:52                     ` I R T
2004-06-09 12:51                       ` Björn Persson
2004-06-10  2:58                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-07 22:03                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-06-08  0:16                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-08  5:12                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-06-08 16:14               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-06 13:34         ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics (why not Universities?) Ralph W. Reid
2004-06-07  2:38           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-05-30 18:47 ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Richard  Riehle
2004-05-31 12:57   ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-31 23:36     ` Berend de Boer
2004-06-01  0:41       ` tmoran
2004-06-01 11:04       ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-01 14:44       ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-01 18:43       ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-07 16:35   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-05-31 12:45 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-31 20:55 ` Improving Ada's image Björn Persson
2004-06-01  0:41   ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-01 11:23   ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-01  2:40 ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Hyman Rosen
2004-06-01 21:14   ` Per Dalgas Jakobsen
2004-06-02  1:12     ` Ed Falis
2004-06-02 10:59     ` Stefan Nobis
2004-06-03  4:19       ` Jeffrey Carter
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2004-05-31  9:22 Rod Chapman
2004-06-01 11:30 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-18 14:43 abrandon
2004-06-18 17:49 ` Wes Groleau
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