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From: "Richard  Riehle" <adaworks@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 16:29:43 GMT
Date: 2004-06-15T16:29:43+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <XtFzc.5630$Wr.5207@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: pan.2004.06.15.11.40.09.413904@email.ro


"David Starner" <dvdeug@email.ro> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.06.15.11.40.09.413904@email.ro...
> It's actually quite easy to write a secure, reliable OS in C. It looks
> something like this:
>
> main () {
> for (;;) {}
> }
>
> It's making a _usable_ secure, reliable OS that's hard, and most of that
> is independent of programming language.

How does one define what is meant by an Operating System?   I would include
the many Run-time environments that an Ada program includes when it is
linked.   In that case, there have been lots of functional, dependable
operating
systems.   There are other small real-time embedded operating systems, many
commercially available, and we use them with minimal frustration.  Most of
them
are written in C or Assembler.   The Ada RTE's are frequently written in
Ada.

As you know, when it comes to software, when we expect more features we
get more unexpected features.   This has always been true, and will continue
to
be true for a long time.

So, the simple OS you propose, provides little and we expect little.

Programming language can matter.  An OS written in Assembler will have none
of the
built-in checking that we get from a slightly higher level language such as
C. An
OS written in C++ has the potential for more compiler checking than one
written
in C.   The same OS written in Modula-2 or Ada can benefit from the compile-
time checking inherent those languages.     Still, none of the languages can
ensure
that the designer has avoided contradictory features,  has overlooked some
important variable setting in a declaration, or gotten the algorithms
exactly right
at every place in the program.

That being said, for any large program, where I have to understand what I am
doing,
and need to understand what my co-workers are doing, my preference is still
Ada.
For me, and I stress the "for me," it continues to be more readable and
easier to
understand what I am doing that programming in C++.   For me, Ada code is
far
more straightforward, less filled with extraneous doo-dads, and more
comprehensible
than the alternatives.   The more I am required to use C++, the more annoyed
I get
with what seems like a lot of extra stuff I should not have to need to get
my work
done.   But each of us will see this differently.

Richard Riehle





  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-15 16:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 216+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-30 11:46 Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Per Dalgas Jakobsen
2004-05-30 16:13 ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-30 18:03   ` Luke A. Guest
2004-05-30 19:09     ` Per Dalgas Jakobsen
2004-05-31  2:28       ` Richard  Riehle
2004-05-31 15:33         ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-01  2:56           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-01 14:51             ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-07 16:29             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-07 17:44               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-08 16:09                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-08 17:30                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-08 20:38                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-08 22:23                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-09  2:27                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-09  4:41                           ` I R T
2004-06-09  6:43                             ` Richard  Riehle
2004-06-10  6:53                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-12  3:16                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-09  6:39                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-09  7:44                             ` I R T
2004-06-09 12:13                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-09 12:34                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-09 21:13                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-10  2:51                                 ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-10 15:57                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-10 17:18                                     ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-10 12:13                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-11 12:48                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-11 17:31                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-14  2:30                                   ` Berend de Boer
2004-06-14  2:47                                     ` I R T
2004-06-14  3:10                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-14 11:49                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-14 16:28                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-14 17:34                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 11:35                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 23:02                                               ` Brian May
2004-06-16 11:37                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-21 14:56                                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-23 20:19                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-15 16:30                                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 11:26                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 16:43                                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 18:51                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 21:02                                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 22:01                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 22:08                                                     ` Ed Falis
2004-06-15 22:26                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 15:50                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-17 16:12                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 21:05                                                             ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-17 21:47                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 22:18                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-18  5:19                                                                   ` Brian May
2004-06-18 14:44                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-17 23:02                                                               ` Brian May
2004-06-18  7:50                                                                 ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-19 20:40                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-19 18:10                                                               ` Ragged arrays of strings (Was: Improving Ada's image) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-20 22:01                                                                 ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-19 20:54                                                             ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-20  2:20                                                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-20  4:24                                                               ` tmoran
2004-06-20 15:06                                                               ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2004-06-21 15:30                                                                 ` Enum'Image (Was: Improving Ada's image) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-21 16:06                                                                   ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2004-06-21 16:53                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-22 21:38                                                                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-23 15:42                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-23 17:15                                                                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-22 13:26                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-23 16:04                                                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-25  0:07                                                                     ` Enum'Image Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-25 15:55                                                                       ` Enum'Image Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-23 20:29                                                                   ` Enum'Image (Was: Improving Ada's image) Randy Brukardt
2004-06-23 23:35                                                                     ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2004-06-25  0:15                                                                       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-06-26  5:11                                                               ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-27  1:00                                                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-27  2:33                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-15 23:30                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-06-15 21:59                                               ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-25  4:21                                               ` Enum'Image (Was: Improving Ada's image) Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-15 19:28                                             ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-15 21:04                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 22:13                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-16  0:05                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-15 22:08                                               ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 23:06                                                 ` tmoran
2004-06-16 11:47                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-17  1:33                                                     ` Brian May
2004-06-17 12:09                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-16  0:56                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-16 11:54                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15  1:21                                       ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-07-01  4:08                                         ` Dave Thompson
2004-07-04 19:00                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-14 11:45                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-14 13:20                                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-15 11:39                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-19 23:14                                         ` Pylinius
2004-06-15 11:41                                     ` David Starner
2004-06-15 16:29                                       ` Richard  Riehle [this message]
2004-06-15 17:06                                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-11 17:53                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-11 18:56                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-11 23:23                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-12  3:08                                     ` Ada BIND was: " Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-12 12:03                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-12 12:47                                         ` Jeff C,
2004-06-13 12:22                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-14 16:33                                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-13  6:08                                         ` Russ
2004-06-13 10:28                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-13 14:49                                             ` Stephen Leake
2004-06-13 20:51                                             ` Russ
2004-06-13 23:15                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-14  2:09                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15  0:02                                               ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-15  2:40                                                 ` Brian May
2004-06-15 12:46                                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-15 18:53                                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-15 22:09                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-07-01  4:08                                                   ` Dave Thompson
2004-06-14 16:43                                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 11:47                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 16:21                                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-15 19:36                                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-15 19:51                                                 ` Björn Persson
2004-06-16 13:44                                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-15 22:13                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 22:32                                                   ` Björn Persson
2004-06-15 23:04                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 23:23                                                       ` Brian May
2004-06-15 23:26                                                       ` tmoran
2004-06-16 18:11                                                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-06-15 23:33                                                       ` Björn Persson
2004-06-15 23:18                                                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-06-15 23:22                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-15 23:37                                                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-06-15 23:59                                                       ` Björn Persson
2004-06-16 13:38                                         ` Ada BIND was: Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-09 10:52                           ` Ada operating systems Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-09 12:07                         ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-11  7:05                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-11 15:07                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-09 12:32                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 20:34                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-08 19:51                   ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-08 22:26                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-09  4:39                   ` I R T
2004-06-09  8:13                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-09 12:42                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-09 12:38                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-09 16:23                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-09 16:38                       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-09 20:51                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-10 12:43                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-15 19:55                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-09 23:45                 ` Richard  Riehle
2004-06-10 12:58                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-11 18:03                   ` Russ
2004-06-14 16:16                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-01  2:45         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-04 17:24       ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics (why not Universities?) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-04 18:46         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-07 12:58           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-07 17:11             ` Ada in colleges and universities Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-07 17:29               ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-07 19:47                 ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-07 18:39               ` Björn Persson
2004-06-07 18:55                 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-07 19:21                   ` Jerome Hugues
2004-06-07 19:27                   ` (see below)
2004-06-07 19:44                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-06-08  1:14                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-07 22:06                   ` Björn Persson
2004-06-07 22:17                     ` (see below)
2004-06-08  9:30                   ` Adrian Knoth
2004-06-08 17:12                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-08 18:19                       ` Adrian Knoth
2004-06-08  9:53                   ` Jano
2004-06-09  8:55                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-07 19:53                 ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-07 21:54                   ` Björn Persson
2004-06-09  3:52                     ` I R T
2004-06-09 12:51                       ` Björn Persson
2004-06-10  2:58                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-07 22:03                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-06-08  0:16                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-08  5:12                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-06-08 16:14               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-06-06 13:34         ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics (why not Universities?) Ralph W. Reid
2004-06-07  2:38           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-05-30 18:47 ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Richard  Riehle
2004-05-31 12:57   ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-31 23:36     ` Berend de Boer
2004-06-01  0:41       ` tmoran
2004-06-01 11:04       ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-01 14:44       ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-01 18:43       ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-07 16:35   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-05-31 12:45 ` Marin David Condic
2004-05-31 20:55 ` Improving Ada's image Björn Persson
2004-06-01  0:41   ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-01 11:23   ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-01  2:40 ` Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Hyman Rosen
2004-06-01 21:14   ` Per Dalgas Jakobsen
2004-06-02  1:12     ` Ed Falis
2004-06-02 10:59     ` Stefan Nobis
2004-06-03  4:19       ` Jeffrey Carter
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-31  9:22 Rod Chapman
2004-06-01 11:30 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-18 14:43 abrandon
2004-06-18 17:49 ` Wes Groleau
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