From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Should Inline be private in the private part of a package spec?
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:45:58 +0200
Date: 2012-08-23T14:45:58+02:00 [thread overview]
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 13:33:57 +0200, Georg Bauhaus wrote:
> On 23.08.12 12:13, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>> Nobody needs either parsing or guessing in order to exchange structured
>> data.
>
> Nobody needs either parsing or guessing in order to understand data
> of *known* structure. Which is the point.
Structured data cannot have unknown structure. Furthermore, you already
tried to praise XML for being able to define a structure. Now if the
structure is unknown, then the structure the XML description promotes maps
to what? It is even worse than to inadequately describe something existent.
What XML would do in this case would be outright lie.
But of course, you didn't meant that. You meant a tautology: a description
of an object describes the object (and its structure as well).
> When endpoints lack this
> knowledge and there exists no way of obtaining the knowledge from
> elsewhere, then hints in the data will help.
Nonsense. When an object is transmitted so goes its structure whatever it
be. As such it cannot be unknown to the peer which reconstructs the object
by deserializing it. If the structure were unknown but necessary, the
object could not be deserialized.
But we are running in circles. The capacities of XML for describing
structures of complex objects was already discussed. See
Ada.Containers.Doubly_Linked_Lists.
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2012-08-03 13:30 Should Inline be private in the private part of a package spec? Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-03 14:34 ` Martin Krischik
2012-08-03 15:51 ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-03 18:07 ` Robert A Duff
2012-08-06 3:09 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-06 14:33 ` Robert A Duff
2012-08-06 15:50 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-06 17:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-06 21:01 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-06 21:52 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-06 22:10 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-06 23:12 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-07 8:29 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-09 21:44 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-08 1:48 ` Shark8
2012-08-08 7:38 ` Simon Wright
2012-08-08 8:10 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-09 21:39 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-10 1:49 ` Britt
2012-08-10 3:10 ` Shark8
2012-08-10 6:00 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-10 16:34 ` Shark8
2012-08-10 22:37 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-11 3:44 ` Shark8
2012-08-11 4:42 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-13 11:53 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-08-10 7:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-10 16:45 ` Shark8
2012-08-10 17:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-10 21:35 ` Shark8
2012-08-10 22:10 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-11 3:27 ` Shark8
2012-08-11 5:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-11 4:48 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-11 5:12 ` Shark8
2012-08-10 17:06 ` Simon Wright
2012-08-11 0:46 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-11 1:57 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-13 22:16 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-14 2:52 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-14 14:44 ` Shark8
2012-08-14 15:09 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-14 22:04 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-15 7:51 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-15 11:08 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-15 11:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-15 15:49 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-15 16:24 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-15 16:53 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-15 18:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-15 20:39 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-21 22:46 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-22 12:49 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-22 13:10 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-22 21:55 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-23 7:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-23 9:00 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-24 4:22 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-24 10:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-24 15:07 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-24 22:09 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-15 21:29 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-16 7:30 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-16 11:18 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-16 12:13 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-16 12:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-16 18:31 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-16 19:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-16 22:00 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-17 18:41 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-18 6:24 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-18 8:05 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-18 21:02 ` Shark8
2012-08-18 21:52 ` Simon Wright
2012-08-19 1:34 ` Shark8
2012-08-19 13:03 ` Simon Wright
2012-08-18 23:33 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-20 13:51 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-20 14:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-20 16:22 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-20 18:42 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-20 19:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-20 20:27 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-21 11:49 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-21 13:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-21 14:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-21 15:06 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-21 15:29 ` Pascal Obry
2012-08-21 19:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-21 16:18 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-21 19:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-21 21:35 ` Pascal Obry
2012-08-21 23:11 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-21 23:37 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-22 21:40 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-21 23:54 ` Shark8
2012-08-22 6:14 ` Pascal Obry
2012-08-23 2:29 ` Shark8
2012-08-22 7:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-22 13:12 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-22 14:30 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-22 16:48 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-22 17:44 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-22 19:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-22 20:08 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-22 20:29 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-23 7:06 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-23 8:08 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-23 8:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-23 9:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-23 10:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-23 11:30 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-23 12:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-23 0:12 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-24 4:40 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-24 7:37 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-24 10:03 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-24 22:06 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-22 21:18 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-23 7:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-23 8:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-23 10:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-23 11:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-23 12:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2012-08-23 13:31 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-23 17:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-23 17:41 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-23 11:35 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-23 11:39 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-23 12:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-23 17:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-24 4:48 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-24 9:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-21 16:25 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-21 22:40 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-14 15:11 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-14 20:30 ` Shark8
2012-08-15 11:47 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-15 17:18 ` Shark8
2012-08-14 15:19 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-14 20:41 ` Shark8
2012-08-14 23:59 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-15 0:50 ` Shark8
2012-08-15 3:02 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-14 22:16 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-14 23:55 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-15 6:35 ` Simon Wright
2012-08-21 22:31 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-22 0:15 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-22 22:08 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-23 0:00 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-23 7:02 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-24 4:37 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-13 12:03 ` Project files (Was: Should Inline be private in the private part of a package spec?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-08-13 22:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-10 8:12 ` Should Inline be private in the private part of a package spec? Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-06 23:09 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-07 9:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-07 13:09 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-07 13:41 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-07 14:06 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-09 22:32 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-07 13:45 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-07 13:55 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-07 14:12 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-09 21:56 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-07 0:25 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-07 10:01 ` Simon Wright
2012-08-07 13:21 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-07 17:28 ` Simon Wright
2012-08-07 19:26 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-07 13:34 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-07 17:31 ` Simon Wright
2012-08-07 13:48 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-07 17:47 ` Simon Wright
2012-08-09 22:34 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-10 14:26 ` Simon Wright
2012-08-09 21:33 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-09 22:18 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-09 22:29 ` Shark8
2012-08-10 0:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-12 21:35 ` Robert A Duff
2012-08-03 16:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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