From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,8623fab5750cd6aa X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: controlnews3.google.com!news1.google.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!newshosting.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!not-for-mail From: "Per Dalgas Jakobsen" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <40b9c99e$0$268$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk> Subject: Re: Improving Ada's image - Was: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:09:18 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: <40ba315a$0$254$edfadb0f@dread16.news.tele.dk> Organization: TDC Totalloesninger NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.89.241.47 X-Trace: 1085944154 dread16.news.tele.dk 254 193.89.241.47:20366 X-Complaints-To: abuse@post.tele.dk Xref: controlnews3.google.com comp.lang.ada:939 Date: 2004-05-30T21:09:18+02:00 List-Id: >>> But how can we get the attention of the executives? >>> Let the brainstorm start ;-) >> >> That's the real problem :) > > No, the real problem is that executives = management and management = > morons and morons are in charge. Well, I understand your view, but I have (almost) never seen a person that acted irrational, when seing things from a certain point of view. That view might not be yours for several reasons, one being that you know more about some stuff than they do or visa versa. I have more than once looked at a decision and thought: "Now they went mad", but later found out that the stuff have become a political "hot potato". Again, reasonable seing stuff from the political angle, but completely old-fashioned-foot-shooting seing it from a any other angle. The problem being most project managers do not have the courage to put their reputation at stake to make an unorthodox decision, because all the other project managers will know immediately where to point fingers if the project runs off track, disregarding the real reason (the majority are right...). Thats why it makes no sense to try forcing Ada from the bottom up (even though Linux seems to have accomplished that to a certain extend), but let it enter at top level and let the executives suggest it, so the project managers have their backs free. One way to get their attention could be to suggest Berkeley or Oxford (or whoever makes these kinds of analyses) to make a thorough investigations based on real business cases, with help from "people in the business" = us, and make them do all the economical consequence maths, for very small projects with no safety critical issues, to very large projects with all the whistles and bells. If (or hopefully when) their results shows that the current accepted business model with C/C++ is a very bumpy one, and that a business model based on Ada would result in a significant profit and lower risk, then I'm pretty sure that such a result will be published in all financial magazines world-wide. Software is big business, and a low-risk path to increased profit is something that will generate a "certain" interest. So anyone knows a (preferably respected) business university professor that might be interested? ;-) Per