* Is gnoga dead? @ 2023-09-09 9:02 reinert 2023-09-09 9:53 ` Blady ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: reinert @ 2023-09-09 9:02 UTC (permalink / raw) I asked google bard: "Is gnoga currently maintained?" And it answered: "No, Gnoga (Ada) is also no longer maintained. It was a fork of the original Gnoga project that was created in 2012. The last commit to the GitHub repository was in 2016. Gnoga (Ada) was an attempt to improve the performance and scalability of Gnoga. It used a different statistical approach to NLG and was implemented in Ada. There are a number of other NLG engines available, such as GPT-3 and LaMDA, which are more powerful and up-to-date than Gnoga (Ada)." Is this correct? reinert ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Is gnoga dead? 2023-09-09 9:02 Is gnoga dead? reinert @ 2023-09-09 9:53 ` Blady 2023-09-09 11:47 ` reinert 2023-09-09 11:59 ` Jeffrey R.Carter 2023-09-09 17:55 ` Stéphane Rivière 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Blady @ 2023-09-09 9:53 UTC (permalink / raw) Le 09/09/2023 à 11:02, reinert a écrit : > I asked google bard: > > "Is gnoga currently maintained?" > > And it answered: > > "No, Gnoga (Ada) is also no longer maintained. It was a fork of the original Gnoga project that was created in 2012. The last commit to the GitHub repository was in 2016. > > Gnoga (Ada) was an attempt to improve the performance and scalability of Gnoga. It used a different statistical approach to NLG and was implemented in Ada. > > There are a number of other NLG engines available, such as GPT-3 and LaMDA, which are more powerful and up-to-date than Gnoga (Ada)." > > Is this correct? Hello Reinert, Do you mean this one: https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnoga? If so, the answer is yes. Could you please provide the link where you found the above quoted text? Pascal. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Is gnoga dead? 2023-09-09 9:53 ` Blady @ 2023-09-09 11:47 ` reinert 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: reinert @ 2023-09-09 11:47 UTC (permalink / raw) lørdag 9. september 2023 kl. 11:53:40 UTC+2 skrev Blady: > Le 09/09/2023 à 11:02, reinert a écrit : > > I asked google bard: > > > > "Is gnoga currently maintained?" > > > > And it answered: > > > > "No, Gnoga (Ada) is also no longer maintained. It was a fork of the original Gnoga project that was created in 2012. The last commit to the GitHub repository was in 2016. > > > > Gnoga (Ada) was an attempt to improve the performance and scalability of Gnoga. It used a different statistical approach to NLG and was implemented in Ada. > > > > There are a number of other NLG engines available, such as GPT-3 and LaMDA, which are more powerful and up-to-date than Gnoga (Ada)." > > > > Is this correct? > Hello Reinert, > > Do you mean this one: https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnoga? > > If so, the answer is yes. > > Could you please provide the link where you found the above quoted text? > > Pascal. I just logged into my google account and asked "bard" (https://bard.google.com/?hl=en). reinert ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Is gnoga dead? 2023-09-09 9:02 Is gnoga dead? reinert 2023-09-09 9:53 ` Blady @ 2023-09-09 11:59 ` Jeffrey R.Carter 2023-09-09 16:46 ` reinert 2023-09-09 17:55 ` Stéphane Rivière 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Jeffrey R.Carter @ 2023-09-09 11:59 UTC (permalink / raw) On 2023-09-09 11:02, reinert wrote: > I asked google bard: > > "Is gnoga currently maintained?" > > And it answered: > > "No, Gnoga (Ada) is also no longer maintained. It was a fork of the original Gnoga project that was created in 2012. The last commit to the GitHub repository was in 2016. > > Gnoga (Ada) was an attempt to improve the performance and scalability of Gnoga. It used a different statistical approach to NLG and was implemented in Ada. > > There are a number of other NLG engines available, such as GPT-3 and LaMDA, which are more powerful and up-to-date than Gnoga (Ada)." > > Is this correct? The presence of the word "also" in the first sentence should be enough to tell you that this is nonsense. If you are asking about an "NLG engine" named gnoga, then maybe this is correct. If you are asking about the Ada web-application framework Gnoga that Blady maintains, then it's not correct. -- Jeff Carter “Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human.” The Notebooks of Lazarus Long 214 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Is gnoga dead? 2023-09-09 11:59 ` Jeffrey R.Carter @ 2023-09-09 16:46 ` reinert 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: reinert @ 2023-09-09 16:46 UTC (permalink / raw) lørdag 9. september 2023 kl. 13:59:04 UTC+2 skrev Jeffrey R.Carter: > On 2023-09-09 11:02, reinert wrote: > > I asked google bard: > > > > "Is gnoga currently maintained?" > > > > And it answered: > > > > "No, Gnoga (Ada) is also no longer maintained. It was a fork of the original > Gnoga project that was created in 2012. The last commit to the GitHub repository > was in 2016. > > > > Gnoga (Ada) was an attempt to improve the performance and scalability of > Gnoga. It used a different statistical approach to NLG and was implemented in Ada. > > > > There are a number of other NLG engines available, such as GPT-3 and LaMDA, > which are more powerful and up-to-date than Gnoga (Ada)." > > > > Is this correct? > The presence of the word "also" in the first sentence should be enough to tell > you that this is nonsense. > > If you are asking about an "NLG engine" named gnoga, then maybe this is correct. > If you are asking about the Ada web-application framework Gnoga that Blady > maintains, then it's not correct. > > -- > Jeff Carter > “Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics > is not fully human.” > The Notebooks of Lazarus Long > 214 Good to hear. Yes, did mean the Ada web-application framework. reinert ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Is gnoga dead? 2023-09-09 9:02 Is gnoga dead? reinert 2023-09-09 9:53 ` Blady 2023-09-09 11:59 ` Jeffrey R.Carter @ 2023-09-09 17:55 ` Stéphane Rivière 2023-09-10 6:51 ` reinert 2023-09-10 6:54 ` reinert 2 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Stéphane Rivière @ 2023-09-09 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw) Gnoga not dead, but being maintained by Pascal, Gautier and other individuals and companies. Expect a pleasant surprise (imho) before the end of the year (with full web demos). v22 manual abstract : 1 About v22 framework 1.1 Ready to use in production v22 is a general purpose, KISS oriented, modular Ada framework for GNU/Linux Debian/Ubuntu service, console and web programs. v22 is composed of many packages in charge of UTF-8 strings, program and OS functions, HTTP(s)/WS(s) web framework, integrated cURL, console handling and text files, advanced network, MySQL and SQLite high level binding, logging and configuration files handling. Although based on the v20 library, the v22 framework represents a major step forward in the following areas: - UTF-8 compatibility; - Simplified string processing (only one UTF-8 String type is used); - Internationalization; - New and extended database API; - Extended database access to MySQL, in addition to SQLite, with schema on-the-fly update at table, index, and colums level; - Improved concurrent access and performance for SQLite; - New LGPLv3 licensing instead of GPLv3; - New FSF GNAT GCC Linux ready-to-use development environment for v22 (not tied anymore to GPLv2 licence); - And much more. 1.2 Cooperative and open v22's native dependencies are Gnoga, Simple_Components, UXStrings and Zanyblue. v22 is both a high-level framework and an extension to the lower level components cited above. v22 has been designed to: - Use unmodified components; - Not "reinvent the wheel". Component functions are to be used first; - Offer higher-level functions or functions that do not exist in the components. .../... In short: - UXStrings is used throughout v22. The v22.Uxs package extends UXStrings functionality. The v22.Sql package extends the functionality of Gnoga.Server.Database. The v22.Gui graphics framework is based on Gnoga.Gui; - v22's architecture allows it to be open to additional packages, depending on the software development required. -- Stéphane Rivière Ile d'Oléron - France ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Is gnoga dead? 2023-09-09 17:55 ` Stéphane Rivière @ 2023-09-10 6:51 ` reinert 2023-09-11 7:52 ` Stéphane Rivière 2023-09-10 6:54 ` reinert 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: reinert @ 2023-09-10 6:51 UTC (permalink / raw) lørdag 9. september 2023 kl. 19:56:00 UTC+2 skrev Stéphane Rivière: > Gnoga not dead, but being maintained by Pascal, Gautier and other > individuals and companies. > > Expect a pleasant surprise (imho) before the end of the year (with full > web demos). v22 manual abstract : > > > 1 About v22 framework > 1.1 Ready to use in production > > v22 is a general purpose, KISS oriented, modular Ada framework for > GNU/Linux Debian/Ubuntu service, console and web programs. > > v22 is composed of many packages in charge of UTF-8 strings, program and > OS functions, HTTP(s)/WS(s) web framework, integrated cURL, console > handling and text files, advanced network, MySQL and SQLite high level > binding, logging and configuration files handling. > > Although based on the v20 library, the v22 framework represents a major > step forward in the following areas: > - UTF-8 compatibility; > - Simplified string processing (only one UTF-8 String type is used); > - Internationalization; > - New and extended database API; > - Extended database access to MySQL, in addition to SQLite, with schema > on-the-fly update at table, index, and colums level; > - Improved concurrent access and performance for SQLite; > - New LGPLv3 licensing instead of GPLv3; > - New FSF GNAT GCC Linux ready-to-use development environment for v22 > (not tied anymore to GPLv2 licence); > - And much more. > > 1.2 Cooperative and open > > v22's native dependencies are Gnoga, Simple_Components, UXStrings and > Zanyblue. > > v22 is both a high-level framework and an extension to the lower level > components cited above. v22 has been designed to: > - Use unmodified components; > - Not "reinvent the wheel". Component functions are to be used first; > - Offer higher-level functions or functions that do not exist in the > components. > > .../... > > In short: > - UXStrings is used throughout v22. The v22.Uxs package extends > UXStrings functionality. The v22.Sql package extends the functionality > of Gnoga.Server.Database. The v22.Gui graphics framework is based on > Gnoga.Gui; > - v22's architecture allows it to be open to additional packages, > depending on the software development required. > > > -- > Stéphane Rivière > Ile d'Oléron - France Sounds like I can somehow trust that gnoga will be around many years to come. So my special issue: I work on making my (cancer) cellular behavior analysis program (https://korsnesbiocomputing.no/) as a "cloud service". Its all programmed in Ada using GLOBE_3D. I consider using guacamole apache. Its intensive about handling images. So what are the aguments for and against using guaceamole (as compared to for example guacamole apache) ? reinert ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Is gnoga dead? 2023-09-10 6:51 ` reinert @ 2023-09-11 7:52 ` Stéphane Rivière 2023-09-12 6:00 ` reinert 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Stéphane Rivière @ 2023-09-11 7:52 UTC (permalink / raw) Hi Reinert, > Sounds like I can somehow trust that gnoga will be around many years to come. I think so. > So my special issue: I work on making my (cancer) cellular behavior analysis program (https://korsnesbiocomputing.no/) as a "cloud service". Very interesting indeed. >Its all programmed in Ada using GLOBE_3D. I consider using guacamole apache. Its intensive about handling images. So what are the aguments for and against using >guaceamole (as compared to for example guacamole apache) ? No idea. My first concerns could be scaling. -- Stéphane Rivière Ile d'Oléron - France ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Is gnoga dead? 2023-09-11 7:52 ` Stéphane Rivière @ 2023-09-12 6:00 ` reinert 2023-09-12 7:16 ` Stéphane Rivière 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: reinert @ 2023-09-12 6:00 UTC (permalink / raw) mandag 11. september 2023 kl. 09:52:49 UTC+2 skrev Stéphane Rivière: > Hi Reinert, > > Sounds like I can somehow trust that gnoga will be around many years to come. > I think so. > > So my special issue: I work on making my (cancer) cellular behavior analysis program (https://korsnesbiocomputing.no/) as a "cloud service". > Very interesting indeed. > > >Its all programmed in Ada using GLOBE_3D. I consider using guacamole apache. Its intensive about handling images. So what are the aguments for and against using >guaceamole (as compared to for example guacamole apache) ? > > No idea. My first concerns could be scaling. > -- > Stéphane Rivière > Ile d'Oléron - France Did mean ...... *gnoga* (as compared to for example guacamole apache) :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Is gnoga dead? 2023-09-12 6:00 ` reinert @ 2023-09-12 7:16 ` Stéphane Rivière 2023-09-15 8:23 ` reinert 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Stéphane Rivière @ 2023-09-12 7:16 UTC (permalink / raw) > Did mean ...... *gnoga* (as compared to for example guacamole apache) :-) No, sorry, I was thinking more of Guacamole. Not really fond of a remote desktop vs a true Web app... But maybe I'm wrong... -- Stéphane Rivière Ile d'Oléron - France ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Is gnoga dead? 2023-09-12 7:16 ` Stéphane Rivière @ 2023-09-15 8:23 ` reinert 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: reinert @ 2023-09-15 8:23 UTC (permalink / raw) tirsdag 12. september 2023 kl. 09:16:56 UTC+2 skrev Stéphane Rivière: > > Did mean ...... *gnoga* (as compared to for example guacamole apache) :-) > No, sorry, I was thinking more of Guacamole. Not really fond of a remote > desktop vs a true Web app... But maybe I'm wrong... > -- > Stéphane Rivière > Ile d'Oléron - France Related: Anybody heard about Ada programs available under rollApps (https://www.rollapp.com/) and similar? Reviews: https://slashdot.org/software/p/rollApp/#reviews reinert ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: Is gnoga dead? 2023-09-09 17:55 ` Stéphane Rivière 2023-09-10 6:51 ` reinert @ 2023-09-10 6:54 ` reinert 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: reinert @ 2023-09-10 6:54 UTC (permalink / raw) lørdag 9. september 2023 kl. 19:56:00 UTC+2 skrev Stéphane Rivière: > Gnoga not dead, but being maintained by Pascal, Gautier and other > individuals and companies. > > Expect a pleasant surprise (imho) before the end of the year (with full > web demos). v22 manual abstract : > > > 1 About v22 framework > 1.1 Ready to use in production > > v22 is a general purpose, KISS oriented, modular Ada framework for > GNU/Linux Debian/Ubuntu service, console and web programs. > > v22 is composed of many packages in charge of UTF-8 strings, program and > OS functions, HTTP(s)/WS(s) web framework, integrated cURL, console > handling and text files, advanced network, MySQL and SQLite high level > binding, logging and configuration files handling. > > Although based on the v20 library, the v22 framework represents a major > step forward in the following areas: > - UTF-8 compatibility; > - Simplified string processing (only one UTF-8 String type is used); > - Internationalization; > - New and extended database API; > - Extended database access to MySQL, in addition to SQLite, with schema > on-the-fly update at table, index, and colums level; > - Improved concurrent access and performance for SQLite; > - New LGPLv3 licensing instead of GPLv3; > - New FSF GNAT GCC Linux ready-to-use development environment for v22 > (not tied anymore to GPLv2 licence); > - And much more. > > 1.2 Cooperative and open > > v22's native dependencies are Gnoga, Simple_Components, UXStrings and > Zanyblue. > > v22 is both a high-level framework and an extension to the lower level > components cited above. v22 has been designed to: > - Use unmodified components; > - Not "reinvent the wheel". Component functions are to be used first; > - Offer higher-level functions or functions that do not exist in the > components. > > .../... > > In short: > - UXStrings is used throughout v22. The v22.Uxs package extends > UXStrings functionality. The v22.Sql package extends the functionality > of Gnoga.Server.Database. The v22.Gui graphics framework is based on > Gnoga.Gui; > - v22's architecture allows it to be open to additional packages, > depending on the software development required. > > > -- > Stéphane Rivière > Ile d'Oléron - France Sounds like I can somehow trust that gnoga will be around many years to come. So my special issue: I work on making my (cancer) cellular behavior analysis program (https://korsnesbiocomputing.no/) as a "cloud service". Its all programmed in Ada using GLOBE_3D. I consider using guacamole apache. Its intensive about handling images. So what are the arguments for and against using gnoga (as compared to for example guacamole apache) ? reinert ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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