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From: "Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)" <yannick_duchene@yahoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Ada noob here! Is Ada widely used?
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:56:54 +0200
Date: 2010-06-07T14:56:54+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <op.vdxkw4t2xmjfy8@garhos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4c0cd44f$0$6766$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net

Le Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:13:18 +0200, Georg Bauhaus  
<rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de> a écrit:
> DbC, however, has to do with designing components of the ship.
> You can have rescue clauses (exception handlers)
> in DbC.
Yes, DnC is rather part of design than part of the application.

This may not be perfect (words to Dmitry), while this still help to focus  
on design.

BTW, nobody claimed DbC as proposed for Ada 2012 was sufficient to prove a  
program.

Ada also has an expected role in pedagogy, and DbC can help it to play  
this role. I believe this way of DbC is most likely to attract people than  
a more strict one (two teachers here said even students tend to avoid  
designing... so try to figure what the crowd's behavior can be) like SPARK  
(which is neither perfect for some practical reasons although it perfectly  
sounds). The important fact is that it is a step toward without any step  
backward. I neither believe the proposed DbC will ever bloat Ada or give  
it any weakness holes. I agree with you (still talking to Dmitry), when  
you complain, as an example, generics comes with numerous troubles ;  
however, if a comparison was to be made, we will probably see Ada's DbC  
will comes with far less troubles (in the program proof area) than  
generics which are already there from long. There is no reason to focus on  
Ada 2012 DbC as a potential source of trouble.

May be an opportunity to ask (a second time) for a question I have in  
mind: will SPARK (in the future) get benefit from Ada's DbC annotations ?

-- 
There is even better than a pragma Assert: a SPARK --# check.
--# check C and WhoKnowWhat and YouKnowWho;
--# assert Ada;
--  i.e. forget about previous premises which leads to conclusion
--  and start with new conclusion as premise.



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2010-05-20 12:53 Ada noob here! Is Ada widely used? Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 13:59 ` Alex Mentis
2010-05-20 15:05   ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-20 15:27     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-20 15:30   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-20 18:58     ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 19:36       ` Manuel Gomez
2010-05-20 19:53         ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 21:20       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-20 23:17       ` Gautier write-only
2010-05-20 23:46         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21 14:07           ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-21  0:30         ` Marc A. Criley
2010-05-21  2:17           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21 20:34             ` Marc A. Criley
2010-05-21  5:18         ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-22 14:54           ` Gautier write-only
2010-05-21 16:01         ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-22  9:57           ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-21  5:09     ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-21 14:33       ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 19:06   ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 21:19     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21  1:08   ` tmoran
2010-05-20 15:33 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-20 17:21 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-20 18:49 ` Gautier write-only
2010-05-20 19:51   ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 21:05     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-20 22:58       ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-23  2:41         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-23 13:26           ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-23 16:50             ` Bruno Le Hyaric
2010-05-23 17:37               ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-23 20:32               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-23 20:59                 ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-24  9:00                   ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-24  9:31                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-24 13:10                       ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-25  2:07                         ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-25  2:02                       ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-25  9:05                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-25 17:36                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-25 18:50                             ` Warren
2010-05-26  7:16                           ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-26  8:17                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-03  2:59                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-03  7:23                           ` Niklas Holsti
2010-06-03  7:47                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-04  9:09                               ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-04  9:08                           ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-04  9:27                             ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-04  9:40                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-04 10:55                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-04 12:23                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-04 12:59                                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05  4:00                               ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-05  6:13                                 ` tmoran
2010-06-05  8:00                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-05  9:05                                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05  9:30                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-05  9:45                                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06  6:36                                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2010-06-05 17:59                                     ` tmoran
2010-06-05 19:59                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-05 20:41                                         ` tmoran
2010-06-06  7:18                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 19:27                                             ` tmoran
2010-06-07  7:48                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06  3:46                                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06  7:23                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 10:22                                         ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 11:18                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 13:58                                             ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 17:22                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-05 12:16                                 ` Simon Wright
2010-06-04 19:23                           ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-04 21:10                             ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-04 22:02                             ` Dirk Craeynest
2010-06-05  3:33                             ` Duke Normandin
2010-06-05 23:17                               ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-06  4:45                                 ` Duke Normandin
2010-06-06 16:41                                   ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-07  2:15                                     ` Duke Normandin
2010-06-07  6:06                                       ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-05  7:47                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-05 22:43                               ` starwars
2010-06-04 21:09                       ` Martin Krischik
2010-05-24 13:20                     ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-25  2:10                       ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-23 18:32             ` (see below)
2010-05-23 19:10               ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-23 19:22                 ` (see below)
2010-05-23 19:40                   ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-24  7:55               ` Martin
2010-05-24 12:05                 ` (see below)
2010-05-24 13:27                   ` Martin
2010-05-24 13:28                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-24 13:40                   ` Martin
2010-05-24 15:19                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-20 21:29     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21  7:58       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-05  8:04   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-05  9:24     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05 12:27       ` Simon Wright
2010-06-05 12:59       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-05 13:39         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05 16:02         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-05 18:50           ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-05 20:14             ` (see below)
2010-06-06  7:25               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06  7:38                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06  7:46                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06  8:25                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06  9:22                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 11:06                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06 11:45                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 12:38                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06 13:10                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 21:22                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07  7:26                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07  7:56                                   ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 11:13                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 12:22                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 14:12                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 14:31                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 14:51                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 15:00                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 15:09                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 15:28                                                 ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 15:50                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 16:58                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 12:56                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) [this message]
2010-06-07 13:27                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 14:09                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 14:48                                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 15:05                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 15:34                                               ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 16:25                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 16:30                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 17:09                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-08  6:54                                                   ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 14:44                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 12:58                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 13:20                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09  6:31             ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-09 16:26               ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-05 19:34           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-05 22:56             ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-05 20:15           ` John B. Matthews
2010-06-06  4:08           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05 21:16         ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-06  7:39           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-20 19:24 ` Anonymous
2010-05-20 19:35   ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 19:59     ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-21 20:10       ` Warren
2010-05-21 23:05         ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-21 23:44           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21 23:55             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-22  0:00             ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-25 16:55             ` Warren
2010-05-22 12:23           ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-05-22 13:17             ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-23  0:34           ` Anonymous
2010-05-23  2:23             ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-23  2:42           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-23 13:22             ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-24 12:14           ` Bryan
2010-05-24 13:22             ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-24 19:56             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-25 17:00             ` Warren
2010-05-25  2:11           ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-20 21:37     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
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2010-05-21 14:21   ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-21 17:29     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21 19:52       ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-21 20:11     ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-05-21 20:21       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-21 23:07       ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-21 23:13         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21 23:53           ` Duke Normandin
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2010-05-24 19:34       ` Duke Normandin
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2010-05-24 20:25           ` John B. Matthews
2010-05-24 22:21           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-24 22:38             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-25 11:41         ` Anonymous
2010-05-25 12:08           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-25 13:47             ` George Orwell
2010-05-25 14:24               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-25 16:15                 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-25 17:34                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-25 17:42                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-25 18:16                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-25 21:27                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-25 18:13                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26  7:42                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-26 21:22                         ` Simon Wright
2010-05-26 21:35                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-25 18:16                     ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-25 18:08                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26  7:24                   ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-26  9:58                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-26 10:11                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 10:21                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2010-05-25 19:50                     ` John B. Matthews
2010-05-25 20:20                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-25 20:27                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-25 18:06                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
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2010-05-26  9:24               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-26  9:42                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27  6:49               ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-27  7:48                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 16:50                   ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-27 17:24                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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