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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Ada noob here! Is Ada widely used?
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:58:16 +0200
Date: 2010-05-21T09:58:16+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1663jnjq7il1d.18gcwps8h6eum$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: op.vc0wnmtoule2fv@garhos

On Thu, 20 May 2010 23:29:36 +0200, Yannick Duch�ne (Hibou57) wrote:

> I would say it is good for core implementations, where no higher level  
> paradigms was shown to be better suited ; that is, most of system-level  
> and most of core application-level. For higher levels, there is a galaxy  
> specific-domain-languages which may be better.

1. They are not higher level. It is a usual misconception. To be closer to
the application domain /= higher level. Usually domain-specific languages
are of an extremely low level. You normally are unable to develop higher
(rather any) abstractions there. You are limited to the built in ones.
Domain specific languages usually  lack type system, certainly have no
user-defined types (ADTs), provide no mechanisms for decompositions etc.
You can consider it on the examples of UML, XML, SQL, Simulink etc.

2. They aren't better, at least from the SW engineering POV. Usually you
can quickly get the job done for some simple or else well-decoupled case.
Far more often you get 80% done. But the rest 20% is almost impossible to
accomplish, because these languages are too specialized, too weak,
unsuitable for integration, design of large systems, unmaintainable. You
will have to write some insertions in a "working" language like Ada. E.g.
S-function for Simulink etc. This might work, or not, because there is a
question of the ugly SW architecture these languages would impose on your
solution.

I don't believe in domain-specific languages, 4GL, 5GL etc. I have seen too
many of them.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



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2010-05-20 12:53 Ada noob here! Is Ada widely used? Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 13:59 ` Alex Mentis
2010-05-20 15:05   ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-20 15:27     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-20 15:30   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-20 18:58     ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 19:36       ` Manuel Gomez
2010-05-20 19:53         ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 21:20       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-20 23:17       ` Gautier write-only
2010-05-20 23:46         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21 14:07           ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-21  0:30         ` Marc A. Criley
2010-05-21  2:17           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21 20:34             ` Marc A. Criley
2010-05-21  5:18         ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-22 14:54           ` Gautier write-only
2010-05-21 16:01         ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-22  9:57           ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-21  5:09     ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-21 14:33       ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 19:06   ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 21:19     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21  1:08   ` tmoran
2010-05-20 15:33 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-20 17:21 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-20 18:49 ` Gautier write-only
2010-05-20 19:51   ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 21:05     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-20 22:58       ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-23  2:41         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-23 13:26           ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-23 16:50             ` Bruno Le Hyaric
2010-05-23 17:37               ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-23 20:32               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-23 20:59                 ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-24  9:00                   ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-24  9:31                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-24 13:10                       ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-25  2:07                         ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-25  2:02                       ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-25  9:05                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-25 17:36                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-25 18:50                             ` Warren
2010-05-26  7:16                           ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-26  8:17                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-03  2:59                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-03  7:23                           ` Niklas Holsti
2010-06-03  7:47                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-04  9:09                               ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-04  9:08                           ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-04  9:27                             ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-04  9:40                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-04 10:55                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-04 12:23                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-04 12:59                                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05  4:00                               ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-05  6:13                                 ` tmoran
2010-06-05  8:00                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-05  9:05                                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05  9:30                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-05  9:45                                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06  6:36                                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2010-06-05 17:59                                     ` tmoran
2010-06-05 19:59                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-05 20:41                                         ` tmoran
2010-06-06  7:18                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 19:27                                             ` tmoran
2010-06-07  7:48                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06  3:46                                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06  7:23                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 10:22                                         ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 11:18                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 13:58                                             ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 17:22                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-05 12:16                                 ` Simon Wright
2010-06-04 19:23                           ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-04 21:10                             ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-04 22:02                             ` Dirk Craeynest
2010-06-05  3:33                             ` Duke Normandin
2010-06-05 23:17                               ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-06  4:45                                 ` Duke Normandin
2010-06-06 16:41                                   ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-07  2:15                                     ` Duke Normandin
2010-06-07  6:06                                       ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-05  7:47                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-05 22:43                               ` starwars
2010-06-04 21:09                       ` Martin Krischik
2010-05-24 13:20                     ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-25  2:10                       ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-23 18:32             ` (see below)
2010-05-23 19:10               ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-23 19:22                 ` (see below)
2010-05-23 19:40                   ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-24  7:55               ` Martin
2010-05-24 12:05                 ` (see below)
2010-05-24 13:27                   ` Martin
2010-05-24 13:28                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-24 13:40                   ` Martin
2010-05-24 15:19                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-20 21:29     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21  7:58       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2010-06-05  8:04   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-05  9:24     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05 12:27       ` Simon Wright
2010-06-05 12:59       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-05 13:39         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05 16:02         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-05 18:50           ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-05 20:14             ` (see below)
2010-06-06  7:25               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06  7:38                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06  7:46                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06  8:25                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06  9:22                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 11:06                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06 11:45                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 12:38                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06 13:10                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 21:22                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07  7:26                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07  7:56                                   ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 11:13                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 12:22                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 14:12                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 14:31                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 14:51                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 15:00                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 15:09                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 15:28                                                 ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 15:50                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 16:58                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 12:56                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 13:27                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 14:09                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 14:48                                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 15:05                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 15:34                                               ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 16:25                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 16:30                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-07 17:09                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-08  6:54                                                   ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 14:44                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 12:58                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 13:20                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09  6:31             ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-06-09 16:26               ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-05 19:34           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-05 22:56             ` Robert A Duff
2010-06-05 20:15           ` John B. Matthews
2010-06-06  4:08           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05 21:16         ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-06  7:39           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-20 19:24 ` Anonymous
2010-05-20 19:35   ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-20 19:59     ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-21 20:10       ` Warren
2010-05-21 23:05         ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-21 23:44           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21 23:55             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-22  0:00             ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-25 16:55             ` Warren
2010-05-22 12:23           ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-05-22 13:17             ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-23  0:34           ` Anonymous
2010-05-23  2:23             ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-23  2:42           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-23 13:22             ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-24 12:14           ` Bryan
2010-05-24 13:22             ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-24 19:56             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-25 17:00             ` Warren
2010-05-25  2:11           ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-20 21:37     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21 11:00 ` jonathan
2010-05-21 14:21   ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-21 17:29     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21 19:52       ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-21 20:11     ` Peter C. Chapin
2010-05-21 20:21       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-21 23:07       ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-21 23:13         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-21 23:53           ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-21 23:24       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-24 18:01     ` Luis Espinal
2010-05-24 19:34       ` Duke Normandin
2010-05-24 20:04         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-24 20:25           ` John B. Matthews
2010-05-24 22:21           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-24 22:38             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-25 11:41         ` Anonymous
2010-05-25 12:08           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-25 13:47             ` George Orwell
2010-05-25 14:24               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-25 16:15                 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-25 17:34                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-25 17:42                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-25 18:16                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-25 21:27                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-25 18:13                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26  7:42                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-26 21:22                         ` Simon Wright
2010-05-26 21:35                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-25 18:16                     ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-25 18:08                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26  7:24                   ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-26  9:58                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-26 10:11                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 10:21                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-25 16:24                 ` Nomen Nescio
2010-05-25 18:28                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-25 19:50                     ` John B. Matthews
2010-05-25 20:20                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-25 20:27                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-25 18:06                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 13:20           ` Ada compilers written in ... (was: Re: Ada noob here! Is Ada widely used?) Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-28  2:31             ` Mike Sieweke
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2010-05-26  7:21         ` Ada noob here! Is Ada widely used? Stephen Leake
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2010-05-26  8:06             ` AdaMagica
2010-05-26  8:33               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-26  8:55             ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-26  9:24               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-26  9:42                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27  6:49               ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-27  7:48                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 16:50                   ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-27 17:24                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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