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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Isn't this in favour of Ada??
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:02:52 +0200
Date: 2005-08-06T13:02:51+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <hyvxz1qhq43c$.4ir4oixkzl1k.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 877jf02ud1.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de

On Fri, 05 Aug 2005 18:58:50 +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:

> The original claim in this thread was that Ada is particularly
> suitable to the concurrency challenges ahead of us (I don't believe
> that there are any fundamentally new challenges, but let's assume that
> there are).  However, in order to create scalable applications, you
> have to use some features of today's operating systems, for example
> I/O multiplexing.  

Which is a case of more general waiting for multiple events. The problem is
that multiple-wait is a too low level mechanism. It is not very clear how
to map it on entry calls and accept.
 
> I am not aware of any Ada implementation which integrates I/O
> multiplexing with tasks. Therefore, it seems to me that Ada's tasking
> is a completely useless burden when developing concurrent applications
> on mainstream operating systems.  Usually, you have to figure out how
> to work around it realiably, so that the run-time library continues to
> work.

I disagree. Multitasking is more than just multiplexed I/O. If you look at
Windows (sort of mainstream) you find dozens of calls starting a thread.
Among them only 1 or 2 are actually usable. The synchronization mechanisms
Windows offers are all too low level. So for our C++ project of a
middleware (heavily multitasking), we end up with developing a library that
mimics Ada's rendezvous.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-08-06 11:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-14 11:34 Isn't this in favour of Ada?? Erlo Haugen
2005-07-14 14:56 ` Mike Silva
2005-07-14 16:11   ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-07-14 18:06     ` Marc A. Criley
2005-07-15 13:05       ` Marin David Condic
2005-07-19 17:03         ` James Alan Farrell
2005-07-19 17:31           ` Ed Falis
2005-07-20 11:49           ` Marin David Condic
2005-07-19 11:40     ` Erlo Haugen
2005-07-19 17:10       ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-07-19 15:41     ` Dan McLeran
2005-07-19 17:17       ` Adrien Plisson
2005-07-20  2:22       ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-07-20  5:13         ` Dan McLeran
2005-07-22  7:30     ` Erlo Haugen
2005-07-22 13:12       ` Marc A. Criley
2005-07-22 13:36         ` Erlo Haugen
2005-07-22 14:24           ` Dan McLeran
2005-07-22 14:29           ` Bob Spooner
2005-07-23 13:02             ` Ludovic Brenta
2005-07-22 18:01           ` Marc A. Criley
2005-07-22 15:49       ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-07-15 14:04 ` Florian Weimer
2005-07-15 21:10   ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-07-18 12:37     ` Marin David Condic
2005-07-18 12:57       ` Ed Falis
2005-07-18 13:18         ` Marin David Condic
2005-07-18 14:12           ` Ed Falis
2005-07-19 12:51             ` Marin David Condic
2005-07-19 18:08               ` Robert A Duff
2005-07-20  5:12                 ` Simon Wright
2005-07-20 15:37                   ` Robert A Duff
2005-07-21 12:15                     ` Marin David Condic
2005-07-21 15:32                       ` Robert A Duff
2005-07-20 12:26                 ` Marin David Condic
2005-10-27  7:20                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2005-08-04 12:59     ` Florian Weimer
2005-08-05 14:29       ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-08-05 16:58         ` Florian Weimer
2005-08-05 23:15           ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-08-06  4:01           ` tmoran
2005-08-06 10:28           ` Pascal Obry
2005-08-06 10:33             ` Pascal Obry
2005-08-06 11:02           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2005-07-21 13:27 ` Maciej Sobczak
2005-07-22  7:39   ` Erlo Haugen
2005-07-22  9:29     ` Maciej Sobczak
2005-07-22 10:41       ` Erlo Haugen
2005-07-22 14:28         ` Alex R. Mosteo
2005-07-22 15:02           ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-25  9:48             ` Tassilo v. Parseval
2005-07-25 13:31               ` Adrien Plisson
2005-07-25 15:08                 ` Jerome Hugues
2005-07-25 15:58                   ` Adrien Plisson
2005-07-25 21:03                     ` Jerome Hugues
2005-07-26  6:03                       ` Tassilo v. Parseval
2005-07-25 16:39               ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-26  5:58                 ` Tassilo v. Parseval
2005-07-26 17:25                   ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-22 15:26           ` Georg Bauhaus
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