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From: Richard Riehle <rriehle@nunic.nu.edu>
Subject: Re: Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching
Date: 1996/11/15
Date: 1996-11-15T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961115093852.2801A-100000@nunic.nu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 6KkYnJwk3RB@herold.franken.de




On 12 Nov 1996, Joachim Durchholz wrote:


> This is the normal contract on parameter and result types. Eiffel  
> contracts also include arbitrary boolean expressions, extending the  
> contracting idea far into the area of program semantics.
> Just as a parameter type makes clear what sorts of parameters are  
> required, the preconditions make clear under what circumstances the  
> routine may be called and expected to return a correct result. The Eiffel  
> postconditions list what the routine guarantees to the caller in turn.

  It is not a question of whether Ada includes a contract in its
  package specifications.  The model for defining such a contract
  in Ada is a simple type definition with optional ranges and the
  set of operations for that type.  In object-oriented programming,
  to implement inheritance with class attribute extension (Ada has
  always had inheritance with attribute extension), on uses tagged
  types for the contract.

  I am fond of both Eiffel and Ada.  However, I sometimes wonder about
  the underlying reliability of assertions versus simple type definition.
  It seems to me that one can easily design an assertion that exceeds,
  in complexity, the wonderfully simple examples one sees published in
  Eiffel books. And as these assertions become more complex, are we 
  increasing the risk associated with that assertion.  

  I suspect that including assertions in Ada 95 would have made some
  practitioners happy. Would such a feature (no Eiffel pun intended)
  contribute to underlying reliability goals of Ada. Moreover, a
  fundamental notion in Ada is for the compiler to detect the maximum
  number of errors as close to the design specification as possible.
  Assertions are focused on run-time rather than comple-time.

  The structural differences between Ada and Eiffel are sometimes cited
  by advocates of both languages for their benefits.  Eiffel enthusiasts
  sometimes claim the "module is type" model is superior.  Though the
  case for this can be quite compelling, in software engineering practice
  the package model of Ada fares quite well.  Ada's separation of 
  specification from implementation contributes to a design that
  takes advantage of what Bertrand Meyer has called, "Linguistic
  Modular Units."  In Ada this is possible because we can define
  package specifications that are readable by our customers, by
  the systems engineers, and throughout all phases of the project.
  Such specifications can be straightforward in describing the
  "what" with little need to examine the "how."  

  I call this model of "Linguistic Modular Units" in Ada, a 
  Project Level Linguistic Backplane.  Whenver my clients have
  taken this approach, using Ada as the linguistic backplane for
  their entire project, they find it quite useful.  

  I find it entirely too easy to include algorithmic details in
  the definition of an Eiffel class. Consequently, I believe the
  Ada separation of specification from body compensates for its
  lack of an explicit assertion model.  Moreover, the very fact
  of a type definition, along with the rules for types, constitutes
  an implicit notion of precondition, postcondition, and invariant
  that is checked quite rigorously by the Ada run-time.

  Richard Riehle

  





  reply	other threads:[~1996-11-15  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-10-27  0:00 Eiffel and Java Vincent WEBER
1996-10-27  0:00 ` Jean-Michel P. Decombe
1996-10-28  0:00   ` David Hanley
1996-10-28  0:00     ` Matt Kennel
1996-10-28  0:00   ` Alexandre Oliva
1996-10-28  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-31  0:00     ` Doug Marker
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Chris Trimble
1996-10-31  0:00     ` Doug Marker
1996-10-31  0:00   ` David Bennett
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Ronald Cole
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Vincent WEBER
1996-10-31  0:00     ` James McKim
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1996-11-04  0:00         ` James McKim
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1996-10-31  0:00     ` James McKim
1996-11-04  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-23  0:00       ` Van Snyder
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-05  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-10-29  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-31  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-04  0:00         ` David L. Shang
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-06  0:00             ` David L. Shang
1996-11-04  0:00       ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-04  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00     ` Darko BUDOR
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-03  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-03  0:00         ` Darko BUDOR
1996-11-03  0:00     ` Matthias Ernst
1996-11-03  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-05  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-10  0:00     ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-11  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-12  0:00           ` David L. Shang
1996-11-12  0:00             ` David L. Shang
1996-11-16  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-18  0:00               ` David L. Shang
1996-11-18  0:00             ` Kai Quale
1996-11-18  0:00               ` David L. Shang
1996-11-25  0:00                 ` Kai Quale
1996-11-15  0:00         ` Paul Johnson
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Alexander Asteroth
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Benedict A. Gomes
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Vincent WEBER
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-04  0:00       ` C to Ada Ali Mirhosseini
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Matthew Daniel
1996-11-05  0:00       ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-06  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java David Petrie Stoutamire
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found]     ` <E06F2B.Az7@syd.csa.com.au>
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-06  0:00             ` To overload or not to overload (was Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Don Harrison
1996-11-06  0:00               ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-07  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-11  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1996-11-08  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00                       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-14  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-14  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-08  0:00                   ` bill.williams
1996-11-11  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-07  0:00                 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-06  0:00             ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-07  0:00               ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-08  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-06  0:00           ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-08  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-08  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-12  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-15  0:00                     ` Richard Riehle [this message]
1996-11-16  0:00                     ` Interfacing contracts (Was: Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Geert Bosch
1996-11-17  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-12  0:00                   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robert A Duff
1996-11-13  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-14  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00                           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-20  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-14  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-14  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-15  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-15  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-19  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-18  0:00                       ` Vincent Celier
1996-11-22  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00               ` portmanteau (was Re: Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-07  0:00           ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00           ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Matthias Ernst
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Benedict A. Gomes
1996-11-01  0:00     ` William Clodius
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-30  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00       ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Ian Joyner
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-14  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-21  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-31  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00 ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-04  0:00 ` Eiffel and Java Richard A. O'Keefe
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