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From: donh@syd.csa.com.au (Don Harrison)
Subject: Re: To overload or not to overload (was Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching)
Date: 1996/11/11
Date: 1996-11-11T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E0qCA8.DDn@syd.csa.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: RALW.96Nov8145731@vulcan.gecm.com


Bill Williams writes:

:Which set of parentheses, 1st or 2nd?

2nd.

:I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. Can we try an
:example so you can tell me that I've got the wrong end of the
:proverbial stick? 

I'll attempt to clarify what I'm saying. It is simply that Ada and Eiffel
offer different rules for selecting the polymorphic operation. The following 
table hopefully summarises the essential differences between the two schemes:

                           Ada                         Eiffel
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1) How selected?           Implicit                    Explicit

2) Which selected?         Same signature except for   Redefines clause (+ optional
                           dispatching parameter       select clause for repeated
                                                       inheritance)

3) Selection choice?       No                          Yes

4) Safe?                   Yes                         Yes (if supported by static
                                                       validity rules); No (if not)
5) Other operations        Yes (if has same name)      No (must have different name)
   overloaded?

In the case of Ada, any operation that happens to have the same name as the
polymorphic operation will happen to be overloaded. This has no effect on the 
semantics of polymorphism. I hope this clarifies the issue. If still unsure, 
re-read my post containing the example comparing Ada and Eiffel plus the addendum 
about repeated inheritance.

:Suppose I write a complex number class (gosh, how original) and I
:define all the normal arithmetic operators. In Ada I can overload
:these operators to define 
:  <complex> + <real> 
:as well as 
:  <complex> + <complex>
:[I can do it in C++ as well, but we won't mention that...]
:You seem to be suggesting that in Eiffel I need to define a class
:which inherits from complex and defines interactions with reals. 

Perish the thought. :)

:But even this doesn't work. If I have a variable which is of the
:complex class I can't add reals to it. If it's of the interaction
:class, then I can't add complex's to it. The only solution Eiffel
:offers me is to define 'add_complex' and 'add_real' members to the
:complex class. While this achieves the functionality I need it falls
:way short in terms of ease of maintenance when 'programming in the
:large' IMO.

This is basically what I have in mind except that 'add_complex' may just be
called 'add'. Something like:

  - Class NUMERIC contains an 'add' operation for NUMERICs
  - Class NUMERIC has heirs COMPLEX and REAL.

  - Class REAL redefines 'add' covariantly to add REALs

  - Class COMPLEX redefines 'add' covariantly to add COMPLEXes
  - Class COMPLEX defines an 'add_real' to add COMPLEX and REAL.

(Details omitted to protect the innocent).
  
:Sorry, you've prodded one of the bees in my bonnet w.r.t Eiffel and I
:just couldn't let this one go by.

Yes, I've noticed you have a few. :)


Don.
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  reply	other threads:[~1996-11-11  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-10-27  0:00 Eiffel and Java Vincent WEBER
1996-10-27  0:00 ` Jean-Michel P. Decombe
1996-10-28  0:00   ` David Hanley
1996-10-28  0:00     ` Matt Kennel
1996-10-28  0:00   ` Alexandre Oliva
1996-10-28  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-31  0:00     ` Doug Marker
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Chris Trimble
1996-10-31  0:00     ` Doug Marker
1996-10-31  0:00   ` David Bennett
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Ronald Cole
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Vincent WEBER
1996-10-31  0:00     ` James McKim
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1996-11-04  0:00         ` James McKim
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Don Harrison
1996-10-31  0:00     ` James McKim
1996-11-04  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-23  0:00       ` Van Snyder
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-05  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-10-29  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Vincent WEBER
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Fergus Henderson
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-31  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-04  0:00         ` David L. Shang
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-06  0:00             ` David L. Shang
1996-11-04  0:00       ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-04  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00     ` Darko BUDOR
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-03  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-03  0:00         ` Darko BUDOR
1996-11-03  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00     ` Matthias Ernst
1996-11-05  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-10  0:00     ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-11  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-12  0:00           ` David L. Shang
1996-11-12  0:00             ` David L. Shang
1996-11-16  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-18  0:00               ` David L. Shang
1996-11-18  0:00             ` Kai Quale
1996-11-18  0:00               ` David L. Shang
1996-11-25  0:00                 ` Kai Quale
1996-11-15  0:00         ` Paul Johnson
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Alexander Asteroth
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Benedict A. Gomes
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-04  0:00       ` C to Ada Ali Mirhosseini
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Matthew Daniel
1996-11-05  0:00       ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-06  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java David Petrie Stoutamire
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
     [not found]     ` <E06F2B.Az7@syd.csa.com.au>
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-06  0:00             ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-07  0:00               ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-06  0:00             ` To overload or not to overload (was Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Don Harrison
1996-11-06  0:00               ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-07  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1996-11-08  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00                       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-14  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-14  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-11  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00                   ` bill.williams
1996-11-11  0:00                     ` Don Harrison [this message]
1996-11-07  0:00                 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-08  0:00             ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-06  0:00           ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-08  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-12  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-13  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-14  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00                           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-20  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-15  0:00                     ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-16  0:00                     ` Interfacing contracts (Was: Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Geert Bosch
1996-11-17  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-08  0:00               ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-14  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-14  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-15  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-15  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-19  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-18  0:00                       ` Vincent Celier
1996-11-22  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00               ` portmanteau (was Re: Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-07  0:00           ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robb Nebbe
1996-11-07  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Matthias Ernst
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Benedict A. Gomes
1996-11-01  0:00     ` William Clodius
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-30  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00       ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Ian Joyner
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-14  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-21  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-31  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00 ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-04  0:00 ` Eiffel and Java Richard A. O'Keefe
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