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From: jsa@alexandria (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: To overload or not to overload (was Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching)
Date: 1996/11/07
Date: 1996-11-07T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.96Nov7150113@alexandria> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E0HKx9.8E3@syd.csa.com.au


In article <E0HKx9.8E3@syd.csa.com.au> donh@syd.csa.com.au (Don Harrison) writes:

> Robb Nebbe writes:
> 
> :To overload or not to overload is not the question IMO.
> :Overloading is a language mechanism that Ada has and Eiffel
> :doesn't; this is an apples and oranges problem. The real question
> :is how do languages figure out which method should be invoked.
> 
> Yes, a nice non-contentious topic of discussion is just that. Personally,
> I'm more interested in what is the simplest binding mechanism a language
> can provide which does everything you need and no more than you need.

Unfortunately, that depends on what you mean by "simple".  While
Eiffel is simple in some aspects here (has only one construct), it is
complex in others (who understands "broken" polymorphism and the
attendant system validity issues?)  Ada is simple in some aspects (no
broken pm or worries about what it may mean, while letting you
basically do what you want in this context [refine on non controlling
parameters]) but more complex in that it has another construct:
overloading and this might fool you at times.

The whole thing boils down to tradeoffs, which in turn depend in large
measure on the overall context.


> However, in relation to Eiffel, I'm saying that it has no *need* of an 
> overloading mechanism because it is redundant due to the availability of 
> covariance.

True.  But it pays a non-trivial price for this.


> So, for Eiffel, rather than dynamic binding overlapping with overloading,
> it obviates the need for it.

I think the real problem here is that dynamic binding is not the same
category of thing as overloading and so comparing the two leads to
confusion.

/Jon

-- 
Jon Anthony
Organon Motives, Inc.
Belmont, MA 02178
617.484.3383
jsa@organon.com





  reply	other threads:[~1996-11-07  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-10-27  0:00 Eiffel and Java Vincent WEBER
1996-10-27  0:00 ` Jean-Michel P. Decombe
1996-10-28  0:00   ` Alexandre Oliva
1996-10-28  0:00   ` David Hanley
1996-10-28  0:00     ` Matt Kennel
1996-10-28  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-31  0:00     ` Doug Marker
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Chris Trimble
1996-10-31  0:00     ` Doug Marker
1996-10-31  0:00   ` David Bennett
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Ronald Cole
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Vincent WEBER
1996-10-31  0:00     ` James McKim
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1996-11-04  0:00         ` James McKim
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1996-10-31  0:00     ` James McKim
1996-11-04  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-23  0:00       ` Van Snyder
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-05  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-10-29  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Vincent WEBER
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Fergus Henderson
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-31  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-04  0:00         ` David L. Shang
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-06  0:00             ` David L. Shang
1996-11-04  0:00       ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-04  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00     ` Darko BUDOR
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-03  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-03  0:00         ` Darko BUDOR
1996-11-03  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00     ` Matthias Ernst
1996-11-05  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-10  0:00     ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-11  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-12  0:00           ` David L. Shang
1996-11-12  0:00             ` David L. Shang
1996-11-16  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-18  0:00               ` David L. Shang
1996-11-18  0:00             ` Kai Quale
1996-11-18  0:00               ` David L. Shang
1996-11-25  0:00                 ` Kai Quale
1996-11-15  0:00         ` Paul Johnson
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Alexander Asteroth
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Benedict A. Gomes
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-04  0:00       ` C to Ada Ali Mirhosseini
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Matthew Daniel
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-05  0:00       ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-06  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java David Petrie Stoutamire
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found]     ` <E06F2B.Az7@syd.csa.com.au>
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-06  0:00             ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-07  0:00               ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-06  0:00             ` To overload or not to overload (was Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Don Harrison
1996-11-06  0:00               ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-07  0:00                 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-07  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1996-11-11  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1996-11-08  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00                       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-14  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-14  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-08  0:00                   ` bill.williams
1996-11-11  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00             ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-06  0:00           ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-08  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-12  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-15  0:00                     ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-16  0:00                     ` Interfacing contracts (Was: Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Geert Bosch
1996-11-17  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-12  0:00                   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robert A Duff
1996-11-13  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00                           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-20  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-14  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-14  0:00               ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-14  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-15  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-15  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-19  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-18  0:00                       ` Vincent Celier
1996-11-22  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00               ` portmanteau (was Re: Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-07  0:00           ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robb Nebbe
1996-11-07  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Matthias Ernst
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Benedict A. Gomes
1996-11-01  0:00     ` William Clodius
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-30  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00       ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Ian Joyner
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-14  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-21  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-31  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00 ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-04  0:00 ` Eiffel and Java Richard A. O'Keefe
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