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From: jsa@alexandria (Jon S Anthony)
Subject: Re: To overload or not to overload (was Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching)
Date: 1996/11/14
Date: 1996-11-14T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <JSA.96Nov13211543@alexandria> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E0J76n.Evn@syd.csa.com.au


In article <E0J76n.Evn@syd.csa.com.au> donh@syd.csa.com.au (Don Harrison) writes:

> If it's true that specialisations *are* the operations you want most
> often, then making the general (inherited) operations polymorphic
> means that dynamic binding is wasted on a minority of calls.

First, there is no evidence for this.  Second, the conclusion you draw
doesn't follow anyway.


> should read
> 
> ... So, Eiffel 
> dispatches to a more specific operation by default and does not
> inherit the more general parent operation. However, if you *do* want
> the parent operation as well, then you can repeatedly inherit it and
> leave one the same and specialise the other.

Yes, but that doesn't eliminate the type safety issues.


> This is where Eiffel is very flexible compared with Ada because you
> can nominate *either* the inherited (parent) operation *or* the
> specialised one to be polymorphic wrt the parent.

I don't know why you keep saying this sort of stuff.  You can do this
in Ada as well if that is what you _really_ want.  Just use a class
wide parameter for the non-controlling parameter.  Really, I don't see
the big deal here at all.

    ... Op ( x : P;  y : A'Class )...
...
    ... Op ( x : C;  y : B'Class )...
...
    i : P'Class := ... Something in P's type tree
    j : A'Class := ... Something in A's type tree

    ... Op(i, j) ... dispatch to either P's Op or C's op depending on
                     what sort of thing is in i.  Further, if j is NOT
                     a B thing, then raise constraint error


> should read
> 
> So, Ada dispatches to the general (inherited) operation by default
> rather than to a more specific new one. ...

Well, that's still wrong.  This "default" stuff is completely
irrelevant and has nothing to do with anything in the Ada context.


/Jon
-- 
Jon Anthony
Organon Motives, Inc.
Belmont, MA 02178
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jsa@organon.com





  reply	other threads:[~1996-11-14  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1996-10-27  0:00 Eiffel and Java Vincent WEBER
1996-10-27  0:00 ` Jean-Michel P. Decombe
1996-10-28  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-10-31  0:00     ` Doug Marker
1996-10-28  0:00   ` David Hanley
1996-10-28  0:00     ` Matt Kennel
1996-10-28  0:00   ` Alexandre Oliva
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Chris Trimble
1996-10-31  0:00     ` Doug Marker
1996-10-31  0:00   ` David Bennett
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Vincent WEBER
1996-10-31  0:00     ` James McKim
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1996-11-04  0:00         ` James McKim
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1996-10-31  0:00     ` James McKim
1996-11-04  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-23  0:00       ` Van Snyder
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-05  0:00   ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-10-28  0:00 ` Larry Kilgallen
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Ronald Cole
1996-10-29  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-10-31  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-04  0:00         ` David L. Shang
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-06  0:00             ` David L. Shang
1996-11-04  0:00       ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-04  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00     ` Darko BUDOR
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-03  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-03  0:00         ` Darko BUDOR
1996-11-03  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00     ` Matthias Ernst
1996-11-05  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-10  0:00     ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-11  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-12  0:00           ` David L. Shang
1996-11-12  0:00             ` David L. Shang
1996-11-16  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1996-11-18  0:00               ` David L. Shang
1996-11-18  0:00             ` Kai Quale
1996-11-18  0:00               ` David L. Shang
1996-11-25  0:00                 ` Kai Quale
1996-11-15  0:00         ` Paul Johnson
1996-11-12  0:00       ` Alexander Asteroth
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Matt Kennel
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Benedict A. Gomes
1996-10-29  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Vincent WEBER
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-10-30  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-10-30  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java David Petrie Stoutamire
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-04  0:00       ` C to Ada Ali Mirhosseini
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Matthew Daniel
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-05  0:00       ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-06  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-30  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-10-31  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
     [not found]     ` <E06F2B.Az7@syd.csa.com.au>
1996-11-01  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1996-11-04  0:00         ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-05  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-05  0:00           ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-06  0:00             ` To overload or not to overload (was Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Don Harrison
1996-11-06  0:00               ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-07  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-11  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00                   ` Juergen Schlegelmilch
1996-11-08  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00                       ` Don Harrison
1996-11-14  0:00                         ` Jon S Anthony [this message]
1996-11-14  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-08  0:00                   ` bill.williams
1996-11-11  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-07  0:00                 ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-06  0:00             ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-07  0:00               ` Robb Nebbe
1996-11-08  0:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-06  0:00           ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-08  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-08  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-08  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-12  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-13  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00                       ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00                           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-20  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-14  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-15  0:00                     ` Richard Riehle
1996-11-16  0:00                     ` Interfacing contracts (Was: Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Geert Bosch
1996-11-17  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-14  0:00               ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-14  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-11-15  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-15  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-19  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1996-11-18  0:00                       ` Vincent Celier
1996-11-22  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00               ` portmanteau (was Re: Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching) Robert I. Eachus
1996-11-07  0:00           ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Robb Nebbe
1996-11-07  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-12  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jean-Marc Jezequel
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Matthias Ernst
1996-11-01  0:00     ` William Clodius
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Benedict A. Gomes
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-04  0:00   ` Eiffel and Java Robert I. Eachus
1996-10-30  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-01  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1996-11-01  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-07  0:00       ` Marcos F. F. de Macedo
1996-11-11  0:00         ` Ian Joyner
1996-11-12  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1996-11-13  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1996-11-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-14  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1996-11-19  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-21  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1996-11-12  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1996-10-31  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-01  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-02  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1996-11-03  0:00 ` Eiffel and Java + Ada dispatching Joachim Durchholz
1996-11-04  0:00 ` Eiffel and Java Richard A. O'Keefe
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