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From: Georg Bauhaus <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de>
Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:05:30 +0200
Date: 2012-10-19T21:05:28+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5081a478$0$6637$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <k5s2ne$h2c$1@dont-email.me>

On 19.10.12 19:30, Simon Clubley wrote:
> before the above opinions have had a chance to form

Opinions and CVs. Interesting observation. CVs affecting
the software crisis.

An important task, then, from the hiring organisation's
perspective (as well as from a general perspective),
is twofold, I think:

1) Make HR people more open to the idea that a good
programmer is a good programmer. The language does
not matter that much, as long as he/she know the basics
of programming.

2) Make programmers and managers open to the idea that
spending both company money and company time on getting
acquainted with "the" tools/special libraries, and other things
of medium half life will help mostly those who sell tools,
special libraries, and things of medium half life.
Not the hiring organisation.

Consequence of 1 + 2:
Everyone understands that programmers are working as
programmers because nothing else can work like a programmer.
No tool, no library, and no things of medium half life in
particular. A niche language in a CV is then just a good
as the currently popular thing, as long as the programmer
is able to demonstrate sufficient programming abilities.

Of course, I'm overly optimistic. Everyone is pointing
at everyone else.

I should start producing things good for this kind of pointing.
Like they rich ones had build hotels and like Goodyear had sold
rubber boots during the gold rush.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-19 19:05 UTC|newest]

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2012-10-07 17:34 Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain Patrick
2012-10-07 18:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-07 22:35   ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08  7:35     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 12:10       ` The Ada community's attitude, was: " Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:20     ` pavel.klinkovsky
2012-10-12 12:09     ` Lucretia
2012-10-12 12:47       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 12:59         ` Lucretia
2012-10-16 20:05           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-16 20:10             ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-18 14:14             ` Lucretia
2012-10-18 17:05               ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 13:28       ` kalvin.news
2012-10-11  4:04   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-07 18:49 ` Shark8
2012-10-07 20:21   ` Patrick
2012-10-08  7:31     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 11:28       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08 12:49         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 12:40       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 13:00         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 13:57           ` Patrick
2012-10-08 14:02             ` Patrick
2012-10-08 19:53             ` Rego, P.
2012-10-08 20:27             ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-08 14:00           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 14:22             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 14:30               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 16:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 16:54                   ` Patrick
2012-10-08 18:22                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 18:29                       ` Patrick
2012-10-08 19:27                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 20:44                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:13                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09  9:59                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-09 12:16                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 15:06                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-09 16:53                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-18 21:53                             ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-19 11:23                               ` Mark Lorenzen
2012-10-19 14:09                               ` Patrick
2012-10-19 14:47                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 14:56                                   ` Patrick
2012-10-19 15:04                                     ` Vinzent Höfler
2012-10-19 17:30                                     ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-19 18:07                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 19:05                                       ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2012-10-19 19:14                                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-19 18:24                                     ` Anh Vo
2012-10-19 18:40                                       ` Adam Beneschan
2012-10-19 21:44                                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-19 22:28                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-20 10:57                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-20 23:08                                         ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-19 15:38                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-19 22:08                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-24  9:56                               ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 11:21                                 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-24 13:13                                   ` kalvin.news
2012-10-24 16:16                                     ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 16:27                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-24 16:41                                         ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 16:57                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-24 17:36                                             ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 17:55                                             ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-24 21:17                                           ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-24 22:08                                             ` Paul Rubin
     [not found]                                               ` <4dqg885bcf05isnup07a28jrq8lbq5fknd@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-10-24 22:31                                                 ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-25  8:42                                               ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-29 14:51                                   ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 23:04                           ` Patrick
2012-10-08 23:07                           ` Patrick
2012-10-09  8:35                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 21:28                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-10-08 23:58                           ` Patrick
2012-10-09  5:59                           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-09  8:02                             ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09  8:06                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-10  5:56                               ` Stephen Leake
2012-10-10  6:48                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-10  7:06                                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-10-10  8:17                                     ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-12 12:27                               ` Lucretia
2012-10-12 12:45                                 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 12:58                                   ` Lucretia
2012-10-09  8:10                             ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-10 15:26                               ` Tero Koskinen
2012-11-08  9:36                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-11-08 13:52                                 ` Rego, P.
2012-11-08 21:50                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-11-09  1:24                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-11-09 10:16                                   ` Brian Drummond
2012-11-10  8:05                                     ` Randy Brukardt
     [not found]                                       ` <ulat9855qcom15kt7lk68rsidf44uau4q5@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-11-15  1:21                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-12-17 16:33                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-12-17 17:57                                   ` Shark8
2012-12-25  9:29                                   ` Paul Rubin
2012-12-26 10:38                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-12-25 10:11                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-12-26 10:40                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-08 19:17                       ` kalvin.news
2012-10-08 20:16                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:33                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09  9:57                           ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 12:31                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:51                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 13:01                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:04                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09 13:18                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 15:53                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 17:08                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 18:26                                   ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 20:40                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 23:23                                   ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10  7:36                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-10 13:13                                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10 13:45                                         ` kalvin.news
2012-10-10 15:44                                         ` Rego, P.
2012-10-10 17:52                                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10 15:40                                       ` Rego, P.
2012-10-10 16:09                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11  9:41                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-11 12:01                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:29                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2012-10-09 12:55                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
     [not found]                           ` <hok878l1k7s5i37k8uejv91t82ad41pipg@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-10-09 17:23                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 15:44                           ` mjsilva
2012-10-11 16:20                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 16:55                               ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 20:29                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08 20:49                         ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-11 15:22                       ` mjsilva
2012-10-11 15:52                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-11 16:00                           ` Patrick
2012-10-11 16:31                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 16:52                           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-16 20:15                         ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-18 22:33                         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-18 22:52                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-18 23:14                             ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-19  0:46                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-18 23:58                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 22:49                           ` Tero Koskinen
2012-10-22 14:25                           ` mjsilva
     [not found]                             ` <be26881c-6662-4830-b86f-34a7d8b25bf4@googlegroups.com>
2012-10-22 15:04                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-16 20:08                       ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-08 18:34                     ` Simon Wright
2012-10-08 18:57                       ` Patrick
2012-10-08 20:13             ` Rego, P.
2012-10-07 20:33 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-11 16:22   ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 12:02 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-08 20:48   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-09  3:03 ` Stephen Leake
2012-10-09  3:24   ` Patrick
2012-10-09  5:44     ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-10  5:52     ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-08  8:07       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-11-09 12:29         ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-09 12:56           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-11-20 21:25         ` Tero Koskinen
2012-11-20 22:15           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-11-21 16:18           ` Lucretia
2012-10-10 11:04 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-11 17:44 ` mjsilva
2012-10-16 20:13   ` phone.john.kern
2012-11-07 14:02 ` Kristoffer Nyborg Gregertsen
2013-01-02  7:01 ` Diogenes
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