From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,3025dd6d917b499c X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Received: by 10.68.217.129 with SMTP id oy1mr839482pbc.3.1350673552830; Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Path: 6ni6944pbd.1!nntp.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!novia!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!news.imp.ch!newsfeed.tiscali.ch!npeer.de.kpn-eurorings.net!npeer-ng0.de.kpn-eurorings.net!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool4.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 21:05:30 +0200 From: Georg Bauhaus User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121010 Thunderbird/16.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain References: <38af7fb8-b0a4-4a31-87aa-b7b698cc89c3@googlegroups.com> <3ca0ffd0-1764-484b-8fab-17c0d2dd9463@googlegroups.com> <1f645050-cf4c-40bf-a797-9687b69e4a54@googlegroups.com> <18ats2960nsvm$.kfufsnul13aq$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072c9ae$0$6562$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <4keoa6epdxt7.1nnwxy7v7ar90.dlg@40tude.net> <5072dc68$0$6554$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <1f7cmfp1l65w1.1deog8cfxbs0u$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072e37a$0$6556$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <1wzhg6cdjkwjj$.uq66rzr2nlgy.dlg@40tude.net> <39b5b475-41c9-4e69-a648-a84deeff50e9@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5081a478$0$6637$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net> Organization: Arcor NNTP-Posting-Date: 19 Oct 2012 21:05:28 CEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 0a033fa0.newsspool2.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=T?A9EHlD;3Yc24Fo<]lROoR18kF:Lh>_cHTX3j=6<<=8 On 19.10.12 19:30, Simon Clubley wrote: > before the above opinions have had a chance to form Opinions and CVs. Interesting observation. CVs affecting the software crisis. An important task, then, from the hiring organisation's perspective (as well as from a general perspective), is twofold, I think: 1) Make HR people more open to the idea that a good programmer is a good programmer. The language does not matter that much, as long as he/she know the basics of programming. 2) Make programmers and managers open to the idea that spending both company money and company time on getting acquainted with "the" tools/special libraries, and other things of medium half life will help mostly those who sell tools, special libraries, and things of medium half life. Not the hiring organisation. Consequence of 1 + 2: Everyone understands that programmers are working as programmers because nothing else can work like a programmer. No tool, no library, and no things of medium half life in particular. A niche language in a CV is then just a good as the currently popular thing, as long as the programmer is able to demonstrate sufficient programming abilities. Of course, I'm overly optimistic. Everyone is pointing at everyone else. I should start producing things good for this kind of pointing. Like they rich ones had build hotels and like Goodyear had sold rubber boots during the gold rush.