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From: Jeffrey Carter <spam.jrcarter.not@spam.not.acm.org>
Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 12:14:31 -0700
Date: 2012-10-19T12:14:31-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <k5s8qo$nfe$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <k5s2ne$h2c$1@dont-email.me>

On 10/19/2012 10:30 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:>
 > |Primary factors in this choice were training availability, tool support, and
 > |processor support. Another key factor was type casting, not as a language
 > |feature, but as a hiring feature. Many of the university students simply
 > |refused to work Ada as it was not seen as a marketable experience base. When
 > |all factors were considered, C++ and C emerged as the languages of choice
 > |(these depending on the processor chosen).

Developers who won't use Ada are not worth hiring. Willingness to use Ada is a 
good indication that a developer is a software engineer, not a coder.

S/W quality in a fighter is not as important as it is in an airliner, provided 
the ejection seat works. My experience with DoD contracts is that they are 
"cost-plus": the more the work costs, the more profit the contractor makes. 
Using C/++ costs more than using Ada. To my mind, this is the factor that drives 
defense projects to use lousy languages: they drive the cost up, thus making 
more money for the contractor. The reasons the contractor gives are rarely the 
truth.

Meanwhile, Ada is still the language of choice for systems that have to work 
correctly.

-- 
Jeff Carter
"Whatever it is, I'm against it."
Horse Feathers
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-10-19 19:14 UTC|newest]

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2012-10-07 17:34 Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain Patrick
2012-10-07 18:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-07 22:35   ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08  7:35     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 12:10       ` The Ada community's attitude, was: " Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:20     ` pavel.klinkovsky
2012-10-12 12:09     ` Lucretia
2012-10-12 12:47       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 12:59         ` Lucretia
2012-10-16 20:05           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-16 20:10             ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-18 14:14             ` Lucretia
2012-10-18 17:05               ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 13:28       ` kalvin.news
2012-10-11  4:04   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-07 18:49 ` Shark8
2012-10-07 20:21   ` Patrick
2012-10-08  7:31     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 11:28       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08 12:49         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 12:40       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 13:00         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 13:57           ` Patrick
2012-10-08 14:02             ` Patrick
2012-10-08 19:53             ` Rego, P.
2012-10-08 20:27             ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-08 14:00           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 14:22             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 14:30               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 16:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 16:54                   ` Patrick
2012-10-08 18:22                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 18:29                       ` Patrick
2012-10-08 19:27                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 20:44                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:13                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09  9:59                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-09 12:16                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 15:06                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-09 16:53                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-18 21:53                             ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-19 11:23                               ` Mark Lorenzen
2012-10-19 14:09                               ` Patrick
2012-10-19 14:47                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 14:56                                   ` Patrick
2012-10-19 15:04                                     ` Vinzent Höfler
2012-10-19 17:30                                     ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-19 18:07                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 19:05                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-19 19:14                                       ` Jeffrey Carter [this message]
2012-10-19 18:24                                     ` Anh Vo
2012-10-19 18:40                                       ` Adam Beneschan
2012-10-19 21:44                                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-19 22:28                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-20 10:57                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-20 23:08                                         ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-19 15:38                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-19 22:08                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-24  9:56                               ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 11:21                                 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-24 13:13                                   ` kalvin.news
2012-10-24 16:16                                     ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 16:27                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-24 16:41                                         ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 16:57                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-24 17:36                                             ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 17:55                                             ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-24 21:17                                           ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-24 22:08                                             ` Paul Rubin
     [not found]                                               ` <4dqg885bcf05isnup07a28jrq8lbq5fknd@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-10-24 22:31                                                 ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-25  8:42                                               ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-29 14:51                                   ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 23:04                           ` Patrick
2012-10-08 23:07                           ` Patrick
2012-10-09  8:35                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 21:28                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-10-08 23:58                           ` Patrick
2012-10-09  5:59                           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-09  8:02                             ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09  8:06                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-10  5:56                               ` Stephen Leake
2012-10-10  6:48                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-10  7:06                                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-10-10  8:17                                     ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-12 12:27                               ` Lucretia
2012-10-12 12:45                                 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 12:58                                   ` Lucretia
2012-10-09  8:10                             ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-10 15:26                               ` Tero Koskinen
2012-11-08  9:36                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-11-08 13:52                                 ` Rego, P.
2012-11-08 21:50                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-11-09  1:24                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-11-09 10:16                                   ` Brian Drummond
2012-11-10  8:05                                     ` Randy Brukardt
     [not found]                                       ` <ulat9855qcom15kt7lk68rsidf44uau4q5@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-11-15  1:21                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-12-17 16:33                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-12-17 17:57                                   ` Shark8
2012-12-25  9:29                                   ` Paul Rubin
2012-12-26 10:38                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-12-25 10:11                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-12-26 10:40                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-08 19:17                       ` kalvin.news
2012-10-08 20:16                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:33                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09  9:57                           ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 12:31                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:51                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 13:01                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:04                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09 13:18                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 15:53                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 17:08                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 18:26                                   ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 20:40                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 23:23                                   ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10  7:36                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-10 13:13                                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10 13:45                                         ` kalvin.news
2012-10-10 15:44                                         ` Rego, P.
2012-10-10 17:52                                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10 15:40                                       ` Rego, P.
2012-10-10 16:09                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11  9:41                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-11 12:01                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:29                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2012-10-09 12:55                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
     [not found]                           ` <hok878l1k7s5i37k8uejv91t82ad41pipg@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-10-09 17:23                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 15:44                           ` mjsilva
2012-10-11 16:20                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 16:55                               ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 20:29                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08 20:49                         ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-11 15:22                       ` mjsilva
2012-10-11 15:52                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-11 16:00                           ` Patrick
2012-10-11 16:31                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 16:52                           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-16 20:15                         ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-18 22:33                         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-18 22:52                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-18 23:14                             ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-19  0:46                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-18 23:58                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 22:49                           ` Tero Koskinen
2012-10-22 14:25                           ` mjsilva
     [not found]                             ` <be26881c-6662-4830-b86f-34a7d8b25bf4@googlegroups.com>
2012-10-22 15:04                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-16 20:08                       ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-08 18:34                     ` Simon Wright
2012-10-08 18:57                       ` Patrick
2012-10-08 20:13             ` Rego, P.
2012-10-07 20:33 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-11 16:22   ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 12:02 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-08 20:48   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-09  3:03 ` Stephen Leake
2012-10-09  3:24   ` Patrick
2012-10-09  5:44     ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-10  5:52     ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-08  8:07       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-11-09 12:29         ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-09 12:56           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-11-20 21:25         ` Tero Koskinen
2012-11-20 22:15           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-11-21 16:18           ` Lucretia
2012-10-10 11:04 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-11 17:44 ` mjsilva
2012-10-16 20:13   ` phone.john.kern
2012-11-07 14:02 ` Kristoffer Nyborg Gregertsen
2013-01-02  7:01 ` Diogenes
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