From: "Robert I. Eachus" <rieachus@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Ada-Oriented GUI
Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2018 18:32:45 -0400
Date: 2018-04-03T18:32:45-04:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <pa0ved$38o$1@gioia.aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: p9ve5n$vfq$1@gioia.aioe.org
On 4/3/2018 4:31 AM, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>>
>> Strange, this looks a lot like the interface to Text_IO. ;-)
>
> Yes, the idea is to have same interfaces.
>
>> The File has a controlled part to insure that when the File object
>> goes away, the File instance does too, and attempts to call Write
>> raise an exception. (Close should do nothing if the File is already
>> closed. ;-) File type is limited to insure that copies are not made.
>>
>> What does a blocking package look like? Much the same, except for the
>> name. You don't need to create a task in the body with an entry
>> Write, but that is implementation detail. ;-) If you want, you can
>> replace the task with a protected object to get co-routine semantics.
>
> My brain hurts too. I don't understand how this is not blocking. When
> Write is called it does not return until I/O is complete. Protected
> object or not, the caller is stuck there. Co-routines are supposed to
> steal the caller's task and pass it to another thread of control while
> awaiting for Write to complete.
>
> It is just tasking without time sharing and scheduling.
I hope we are in full agreement. We just have a different picture of
what the Write procedure does. So let me provide my version. To get
asynch semantics there is a task hidden in the body which has an entry
called by Write. Let's use WT for the task, and WE for the entry.
Write will pass its parameters to WE and return. WT looks like:
task body WE is
begin
... -- Set up output device.
loop
select
accept WE(...) do
... -- Copy any by reference parameters. No potentially
-- blocking actions please.
end WE;
.. -- do work here, such as multiple writes to disk.
-- Blocking is not just allowed, it is expected.
or accept Close;
... -- Normal file close. Blocking allowed.
exit;
or terminate;
end select;
end loop;
exception
-- Whatever is needed.
end WE;
This task is what does the asynch part of setup, Write, and Close. The
setup actions take place at the begin corresponding to the declarative
part containing the task declaration. Write calls WE, any necessary
copies are done, and the actions following the accept alternative for WE
happen in parallel to the main program.
If you want pure co-routine semantics, move the code following end WE;
just before it. Wrap the code following Close in a do...end Close; and
finally, move the code after the begin into the (generic) package. When
you test that version, either the main program should be running, or the
task, or they should be in a rendezvous. Single thread of control,
swapped back and forth. As I pointed out in the original post, you
could replace the task with a protected object.
Technically, an implementation could implement the protected object as a
task. Notice that all of the potentially blocking actions above are not
inside the accept statement. In practice we expect compilers to run
short bits of glue code from protected objects in the thread of the
caller. Why make the compiler writer's job harder by putting
potentially blocking code in what looks like glue code?
What happens if you want it to be possible for hundreds of write actions
to be pending? Left as an exercise for the reader. Hint: requeue ;-)
Note that if I was grading this homework, I would take a lot of points
off for not limiting the size of the queue. Whether the number
permitted to be waiting was 100, 1000, or whatever would not be that
important. Testing to find the value that works best is extra credit.
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Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-03-18 13:33 Ada-Oriented GUI Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-19 2:03 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-19 14:10 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 9:49 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-21 13:58 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 18:43 ` briot.emmanuel
2018-03-21 19:17 ` Shark8
2018-03-21 22:40 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-21 23:52 ` Shark8
2018-03-22 6:50 ` briot.emmanuel
2018-03-22 16:56 ` Shark8
2018-03-23 16:29 ` Shark8
2018-03-23 22:59 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-23 23:43 ` Mehdi Saada
2018-03-26 22:09 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-27 7:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-27 23:58 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-28 7:09 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-22 17:34 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-22 17:50 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22 18:58 ` Shark8
2018-03-23 12:06 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-20 16:41 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-20 21:34 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-21 2:22 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 21:50 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-22 8:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-22 10:58 ` Bojan Bozovic
2018-03-22 11:03 ` Bojan Bozovic
2018-03-21 8:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-21 14:30 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 15:57 ` vincent.diemunsch
2018-03-21 17:33 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 16:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-21 17:04 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 17:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-21 18:19 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 19:11 ` Simon Wright
2018-03-21 19:51 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 20:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-21 20:33 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 22:16 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22 9:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-22 14:57 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22 15:46 ` Bojan Bozovic
2018-03-22 14:00 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22 17:29 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-21 21:58 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-26 21:20 ` G. B.
2018-03-21 22:33 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-22 1:43 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22 23:47 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-23 2:37 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-23 22:42 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-24 7:47 ` Simon Wright
2018-03-23 9:05 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-23 9:48 ` Bojan Bozovic
2018-03-23 10:20 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-27 18:32 ` Killing software and certification (was: Ada-Oriented GUI) Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-27 19:25 ` Killing software and certification Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 13:54 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-28 14:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 17:06 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-28 19:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 15:47 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-28 17:02 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-03-28 17:59 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-27 19:41 ` Killing software and certification (was: Ada-Oriented GUI) Dan'l Miller
2018-03-28 0:04 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-28 2:27 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-28 13:54 ` Killing software and certification Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-28 0:21 ` Killing software and certification (was: Ada-Oriented GUI) Jere
2018-03-28 13:54 ` Killing software and certification Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-23 12:31 ` Ada-Oriented GUI Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-23 12:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-23 16:16 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-23 17:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-23 18:31 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-23 20:06 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-23 20:48 ` Mehdi Saada
2018-03-23 21:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-24 11:36 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-24 13:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 14:09 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-28 15:02 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 18:07 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-29 7:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-04-02 22:13 ` Robert I. Eachus
2018-04-03 8:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-04-03 22:32 ` Robert I. Eachus [this message]
2018-04-04 7:30 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-25 12:57 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-24 16:33 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-26 22:29 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-27 0:15 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-27 6:08 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-03-27 7:52 ` Simon Wright
2018-03-27 14:48 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-04-01 17:37 ` Robert I. Eachus
2018-03-25 19:19 ` Andrew Shvets
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2018-03-23 22:48 Randy Brukardt
2018-03-24 7:51 ` Simon Wright
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