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From: "Dan'l Miller" <optikos@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Ada-Oriented GUI
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 10:04:50 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2018-03-21T10:04:50-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9ed9edb1-3342-4644-89e8-9bcf404970ee@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <p8u168$1ag6$1@gioia.aioe.org>

On Wednesday, March 21, 2018 at 11:27:56 AM UTC-5, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> On 21/03/2018 15:30, Dan'l Miller wrote:
> 
> > Rx is directly aiming at solving that entire problem space.  Quite well, btw, especially regarding concurrent scheduler-based handling events arriving haphazard from drastically-different concerns:  human GUI events, application lifetime events, network traffic arrival events, asynchronous OS events (e.g., filesystem I/O), and so forth.
> 
> Scheduling implies that order of events is not preserved, right? How 
> consistency is achieved?

The order of each sequence of events from a single-threaded sender is strictly preserved in Rx (including under the numerous filtering mechanisms).  Conversely, there is no order to preserve between different single-threaded senders.  E.g., async filesystem I/O events can interleave GUI human-activity events can interleave application-lifecycle events can interleave network packet-arrival events arbitrarily and differently each execution.  Having a software architecture that obfuscates this natural lack of any inter-sender ordering is what causes deep & severe & pernicious bugs (actually worse that bugs, usually fatal-to-the-feature back-to-the-drawingboard nonrealtime design flaws and much head-scratching).  Having a software architecture that effectively says, “Hey, we've done the heavy lifting of flowing all these rivers of data to you without ruining them; now you need to do the hey-dummy-don't-ruin-them-by-comingling-them-illogically too, such as implicitly expecting a GUI event to arrive ahead of a network packet or vice versa, or implicitly expecting an app-lifecycle event to never arrive before an async filesystem I/O event.”  Rx brings •composable system• to realtime event arrival by (nearly-)demanding that the arbitrary-order events are blatantly obvious *between* different sequences (by making the preserved-order events blatantly obvious *within* any one sequence).


  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-21 17:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-18 13:33 Ada-Oriented GUI Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-19  2:03 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-19 14:10   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21  9:49     ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-21 13:58       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 18:43         ` briot.emmanuel
2018-03-21 19:17           ` Shark8
2018-03-21 22:40             ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-21 23:52               ` Shark8
2018-03-22  6:50                 ` briot.emmanuel
2018-03-22 16:56                   ` Shark8
2018-03-23 16:29               ` Shark8
2018-03-23 22:59                 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-23 23:43                   ` Mehdi Saada
2018-03-26 22:09                     ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-27  7:27                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-27 23:58                         ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-28  7:09                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-22 17:34         ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-22 17:50           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22 18:58             ` Shark8
2018-03-23 12:06             ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-20 16:41 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-20 21:34   ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-21  2:22     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 21:50       ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-22  8:45         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-22 10:58         ` Bojan Bozovic
2018-03-22 11:03           ` Bojan Bozovic
2018-03-21  8:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-21 14:30   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 15:57     ` vincent.diemunsch
2018-03-21 17:33       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 16:27     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-21 17:04       ` Dan'l Miller [this message]
2018-03-21 17:42         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-21 18:19           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 19:11             ` Simon Wright
2018-03-21 19:51               ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 20:11                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-21 20:33                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 22:16                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22  9:12                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-22 14:57                       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22 15:46                         ` Bojan Bozovic
2018-03-22 14:00                     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22 17:29                   ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-21 21:58             ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-26 21:20               ` G. B.
2018-03-21 22:33             ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-22  1:43               ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22 23:47                 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-23  2:37                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-23 22:42                     ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-24  7:47                       ` Simon Wright
2018-03-23  9:05                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-23  9:48                     ` Bojan Bozovic
2018-03-23 10:20                     ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-27 18:32                     ` Killing software and certification (was: Ada-Oriented GUI) Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-27 19:25                       ` Killing software and certification Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 13:54                         ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-28 14:23                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 17:06                             ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-28 19:35                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 15:47                           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-28 17:02                             ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-03-28 17:59                             ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-27 19:41                       ` Killing software and certification (was: Ada-Oriented GUI) Dan'l Miller
2018-03-28  0:04                         ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-28  2:27                           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-28 13:54                           ` Killing software and certification Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-28  0:21                       ` Killing software and certification (was: Ada-Oriented GUI) Jere
2018-03-28 13:54                         ` Killing software and certification Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-23 12:31                   ` Ada-Oriented GUI Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-23 12:59                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-23 16:16                       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-23 17:18                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-23 18:31                           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-23 20:06                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-23 20:48                               ` Mehdi Saada
2018-03-23 21:18                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-24 11:36                       ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-24 13:12                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 14:09                           ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-28 15:02                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 18:07                               ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-29  7:58                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-04-02 22:13                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2018-04-03  8:31                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-04-03 22:32                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2018-04-04  7:30                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-25 12:57                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-24 16:33                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-26 22:29                     ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-27  0:15                       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-27  6:08                       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-03-27  7:52                         ` Simon Wright
2018-03-27 14:48                           ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-04-01 17:37                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2018-03-25 19:19 ` Andrew Shvets
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2018-03-23 22:48 Randy Brukardt
2018-03-24  7:51 ` Simon Wright
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