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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Ada-Oriented GUI
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:34:56 -0500
Date: 2018-03-20T16:34:56-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <p8ruq0$5dt$1@franka.jacob-sparre.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: f69b294b-414c-46ff-8c2b-23eb0ab4ccd6@googlegroups.com


"Dan'l Miller" <optikos@verizon.net> wrote in message 
news:f69b294b-414c-46ff-8c2b-23eb0ab4ccd6@googlegroups.com...
On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 8:33:26 AM UTC-5, Jeffrey R. Carter wrote:
>> Those interested can find Ada_GUI at
>>
>> https://github.com/jrcarter/Ada_GUI
>
>". a better design for a GUI is for the GUI to have its own task, so it
>doesn't require that its client give up a thread of control. GUI events are
>communicated to the client through a protected queue of events. The
>client software can be written in the clearest way possible, unconstrained
>by the GUI."
>
>Although I am sympathetic to your goals* in general, please allow me to
>play devil's advocate for the current status quo thread design in nearly 
>all
> GUI-equipped OSes.  The GUI does in fact have its own thread:  the
> main thread of the process.  ...

I can't speak to all such systems, but the above is definitely not true of 
Windows Win32. The GUI can be on any thread that it likes, the restriction 
is that one needs to use a single thread to create windows and receive 
messages. (Any thread can do other operations.) We took advantage of this in 
the design of Claw, where there is a separate Ada task created solely for 
the purpose of managing the GUI. On top of this we built a fairly 
conventional OOP design where the GUI task dispatches to appropriate 
subprograms. This allows Ada programs fairly free access to the GUI from any 
task. (It also has the downside of bringing in tasking issues into any Claw 
program, even if there aren't any explicit tasks.)

It would be easy for Jeff to build his GUI design on top of Win32, it would 
be organized somewhat like Claw internally but using a different interface 
to interact with it.

                         Randy.


                        Randy.


  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-20 21:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-18 13:33 Ada-Oriented GUI Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-19  2:03 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-19 14:10   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21  9:49     ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-21 13:58       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 18:43         ` briot.emmanuel
2018-03-21 19:17           ` Shark8
2018-03-21 22:40             ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-21 23:52               ` Shark8
2018-03-22  6:50                 ` briot.emmanuel
2018-03-22 16:56                   ` Shark8
2018-03-23 16:29               ` Shark8
2018-03-23 22:59                 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-23 23:43                   ` Mehdi Saada
2018-03-26 22:09                     ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-27  7:27                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-27 23:58                         ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-28  7:09                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-22 17:34         ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-22 17:50           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22 18:58             ` Shark8
2018-03-23 12:06             ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-20 16:41 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-20 21:34   ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2018-03-21  2:22     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 21:50       ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-22  8:45         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-22 10:58         ` Bojan Bozovic
2018-03-22 11:03           ` Bojan Bozovic
2018-03-21  8:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-21 14:30   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 15:57     ` vincent.diemunsch
2018-03-21 17:33       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 16:27     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-21 17:04       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 17:42         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-21 18:19           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 19:11             ` Simon Wright
2018-03-21 19:51               ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 20:11                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-21 20:33                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-21 22:16                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22  9:12                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-22 14:57                       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22 15:46                         ` Bojan Bozovic
2018-03-22 14:00                     ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22 17:29                   ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-21 21:58             ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-26 21:20               ` G. B.
2018-03-21 22:33             ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-22  1:43               ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-22 23:47                 ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-23  2:37                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-23 22:42                     ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-24  7:47                       ` Simon Wright
2018-03-23  9:05                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-23  9:48                     ` Bojan Bozovic
2018-03-23 10:20                     ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-27 18:32                     ` Killing software and certification (was: Ada-Oriented GUI) Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-27 19:25                       ` Killing software and certification Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 13:54                         ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-28 14:23                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 17:06                             ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-28 19:35                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 15:47                           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-28 17:02                             ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-03-28 17:59                             ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-27 19:41                       ` Killing software and certification (was: Ada-Oriented GUI) Dan'l Miller
2018-03-28  0:04                         ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-28  2:27                           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-28 13:54                           ` Killing software and certification Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-28  0:21                       ` Killing software and certification (was: Ada-Oriented GUI) Jere
2018-03-28 13:54                         ` Killing software and certification Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-23 12:31                   ` Ada-Oriented GUI Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-23 12:59                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-23 16:16                       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-23 17:18                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-23 18:31                           ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-23 20:06                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-23 20:48                               ` Mehdi Saada
2018-03-23 21:18                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-24 11:36                       ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-24 13:12                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 14:09                           ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-28 15:02                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-28 18:07                               ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-29  7:58                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-04-02 22:13                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2018-04-03  8:31                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-04-03 22:32                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2018-04-04  7:30                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-25 12:57                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-24 16:33                   ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-26 22:29                     ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-27  0:15                       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-27  6:08                       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-03-27  7:52                         ` Simon Wright
2018-03-27 14:48                           ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2018-04-01 17:37                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2018-03-25 19:19 ` Andrew Shvets
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2018-03-23 22:48 Randy Brukardt
2018-03-24  7:51 ` Simon Wright
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