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From: kevin.cline@gmail.com (Kevin Cline)
Subject: Re: Ada Popularity: Comparison of Ada/Charles with C++ STL (and Perl)
Date: 27 Sep 2004 21:22:03 -0700
Date: 2004-09-27T21:22:03-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e749549b.0409272022.5b558128@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1g2d9xmnita9f.5ecju0eftkqw$.dlg@40tude.net

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message news:<1g2d9xmnita9f.5ecju0eftkqw$.dlg@40tude.net>...
> On 27 Sep 2004 07:31:44 -0700, Kevin Cline wrote:
> 
> > Matthew Heaney <matthewjheaney@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<uekkpt07s.fsf@earthlink.net>...
> >> kevin.cline@gmail.com (Kevin Cline) writes:
> >> 
> >>> One of the most frustrating things I found in Ada programming was the
> >>> inability to make user-defined types work like the built-in types. 
> >>> Given
> >>> 
> >>>   A: array (1..10) of integer;
> >>> 
> >>> then the expression A(5) is a modifiable reference to the fifth
> >>> element of A.
> >>> 
> >>> After experience with C++ it was amazingly frustrating to learn that
> >>> there was no way I could define My_Container so that I could write:
> >>> 
> >>>   C: My_Container ;
> >>> 
> >>>   C(5) := 7;
> >> 
> >> Indeed, you cannot do this.  In AI-302 (and in Ada.Strings.*), you have to say:
> >> 
> >>    Replace_Element (C, Index => 5, By => 7);
> > 
> > I think this was a major error in the language design.
> 
> It was not an error, in the sense that no irreparable damage was done. It
> seems that the issue was just put aside for better times. Ada has a rich
> infrastructure supporting array types and their index types. So to reshape
> Ada's arrays out of abstract "array interfaces" one need to take all that
> presently hard-wired infrastructure with. Note that C++ does not solve the
> problem, because it has no arrays. So it allows you to define [] and leaves
> you alone with that. It is not the Ada's way (TM).

C++ solves the problem very nicely, it just wasn't solved once and for
all by the language designer or by the standard committee.  It's not
necessary for C++ to have a sophisticated built-in array class because
it is relatively easy to build any sort of array you like.  So we have
std::vector and boost::array, and if you need a sparse array or any
other sort you can build that too and they will all work with the
standard algorithms and you can switch out one for another with little
effort.



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Thread overview: 229+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-22  0:21 Ada Popularity: Comparison of Ada/Charles with C++ STL (and Perl) Kevin Cline
2004-09-22  2:16 ` Pylinius
2004-09-22  8:50 ` Björn Persson
2004-09-22 13:38   ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-22 14:07     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-22 15:16     ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-23  8:22     ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 10:52     ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-23 10:54       ` stephane richard
2004-09-23 11:17       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-23 11:47       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-23 13:34         ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-23 16:53           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-23 18:30           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 19:00             ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-24  6:04               ` [OT]Screen ergonomics, was " Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-26  7:22               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 17:19         ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-23  8:51   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 11:01     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-23 15:59       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 16:38       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-24  2:47         ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 13:43           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-24 17:47             ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-24 18:16               ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-29 19:29                 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-29 22:44                   ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-25 14:09             ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-26  7:08           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 15:13             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 19:10     ` jayessay
2004-09-23 21:13       ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-27  2:12         ` Keith H Duggar
2004-09-27 14:21           ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-27 14:51             ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-27 17:10               ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-27 20:16               ` Keith H Duggar
2004-09-27 21:15                 ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-28  4:46                   ` Keith H Duggar
2004-09-27 20:34             ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-27 21:15               ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-23 23:05     ` Brian May
2004-09-24  3:06       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24  3:52       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-24  5:15         ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 19:12         ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-24 20:54           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-24 21:23             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-27 13:22           ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-27 13:45             ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-27 21:31             ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-27 23:51               ` Brian May
2004-09-28 12:21               ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-26 17:10         ` jayessay
2004-09-26 20:00           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-27 14:45             ` jayessay
2004-09-24  0:19     ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-24 14:54       ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-22 15:27 ` James Alan Farrell
2004-09-22 21:24   ` Simon Wright
2004-09-23  0:03     ` Brian May
2004-09-23  9:17       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23  0:44     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-23 11:08       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-23  8:15     ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-23 16:20       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 19:23         ` Simon Wright
2004-09-24  7:19         ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-24 16:31           ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 19:24           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-25 14:04             ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-26 10:36               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-26 15:35                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-28 17:46                   ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-29  7:49                     ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-29 12:01                       ` Xenos
2004-09-29 18:16                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-30 15:55                         ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-27 22:22               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-28  7:51                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-29  3:04                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-29  6:03                     ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-29 13:31                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29 13:46                     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-30  3:42                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-30  7:54                         ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-30 16:50                         ` Matthew Heaney
2004-10-01  0:04                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-10-01 12:25                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-02  7:35                               ` K
2004-10-02 10:00                                 ` Brian May
2004-10-02 20:39                                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-10-03  2:17                                     ` Brian May
2004-10-02 13:40                                 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-10-02 23:33                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-03 12:47                                   ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-30 19:01                         ` Björn Persson
2004-09-30 23:54                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-10-01 16:11                             ` Björn Persson
2004-10-02  6:48                               ` K
2004-10-02 10:41                                 ` Björn Persson
2004-10-02 13:32                                 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-10-04  9:02                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-23  9:00   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 11:27     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-23 19:11       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 21:01         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-26  6:53           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 15:29             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-23 21:54         ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-24  9:44         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-24  9:50         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-24 13:47           ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 14:14             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-25 14:17               ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-27  8:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-27 12:59                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-27 13:53                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-26  7:17               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-27  8:19                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-27 13:03                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-27 14:00                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-24 16:28           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-24 17:45             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-24 20:14             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 20:10               ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-09-27  8:29                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-26  7:13               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 15:15                 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-27 14:31                   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-27 15:05                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-28  4:22                       ` Kevin Cline [this message]
2004-09-28  8:20                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-28 23:26                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-29 12:19                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-30 18:52                               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-01  7:55                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-03 19:35                                   ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-04 10:24                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-06 17:28                                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-07  8:24                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-10 21:09                                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-11  8:08                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-15  9:34                                               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-15 16:58                                                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-29 15:44                             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-30 18:27                               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-28 17:21                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-29  1:38                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29 18:08                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-30 18:30                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-29  8:08                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-09-29 18:11                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-09-30  8:57                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2004-10-01  8:58                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-03 19:53                                   ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-04 10:15                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-04 12:16                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-10-04 13:21                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-06 17:20                                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-07 10:08                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-10 22:21                                           ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-11  8:46                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-15  9:25                                               ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-15 11:56                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-20 20:06                                                   ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-21  2:51                                                     ` Kevin Cline
2004-10-21  8:39                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-10-27 21:41                                                       ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-01 13:02                                 ` Robert Kawulak
2004-10-28 10:26                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-09-27 16:21                     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-28  2:47                       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-28  4:03                         ` Brian May
2004-09-28  4:46                         ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-29  3:14                           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-29  3:50                             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-29  3:52                               ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-29 13:44                             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-26  6:32           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 15:05             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-27 14:35               ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 19:30       ` jayessay
2004-09-23 19:42     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-09-22 21:05 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-23  9:20   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 16:58     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-23  6:24 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 11:23   ` Jeff C r e e.m
2004-09-23 11:35     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-23 17:05       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 17:07       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 18:30     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 19:31       ` Simon Wright
2004-09-24  0:09         ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-25 10:41           ` Simon Wright
2004-09-23 18:24   ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 17:12 ` Dan Andreatta
2004-09-23 18:10   ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 19:21     ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-23 19:31       ` Ed Falis
2004-09-23 19:37         ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-24 20:09       ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-25  0:18         ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-26  6:37           ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 14:57             ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 19:24     ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-23 21:30       ` Eric Jacoboni
2004-09-26 11:44         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-26 17:02         ` jayessay
2004-09-24  8:26       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-23 22:08     ` Anders Gidenstam
2004-09-24  8:10     ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-09-24 17:43       ` Dan Andreatta
2004-09-24 17:40     ` Dan Andreatta
2004-09-24 18:50       ` Pascal Obry
2004-09-23 22:34 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-23 23:11   ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-24  1:57     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24  6:32       ` Dale Stanbrough
2004-09-24 21:01         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-09-24  0:43   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-09-24  1:51   ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 20:21     ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 11:09 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-09-27 13:49   ` Björn Persson
2004-10-12  5:21 ` Ada Popularity: Comparison of languages Brian May
2004-10-12 11:43   ` Peter Hermann
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