From: kevin.cline@gmail.com (Kevin Cline)
Subject: Re: Ada Popularity: Comparison of Ada/Charles with C++ STL (and Perl)
Date: 27 Sep 2004 13:34:46 -0700
Date: 2004-09-27T13:34:46-07:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e749549b.0409271234.1c2b4b92@posting.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: adam.ruth-CEAF21.08210127092004@localhost
Adam Ruth <adam.ruth@mac.com> wrote in message news:<adam.ruth-CEAF21.08210127092004@localhost>...
> In article <b47de02.0409261812.659a923b@posting.google.com>,
> duggar@mit.edu (Keith H Duggar) wrote:
>
> > > I've come to this thread late, so I'm not completely sure about the
> > > exact specs of the code, but here's my take on a Python version. It
> > > comes in at a svelt 10 lines, and I think it's quite readable. I'm sure
> > > I'm missing something though.
> > >
> > > import sys
> > >
> > > words = {}
> > > for line in sys.stdin.readlines():
> > > for word in line.split():
> > > words[word] = words.get(word, 0) + 1
> > >
> > > words = [[x[1], x[0]] for x in words.items()]
> > > words.sort()
> > > words.reverse()
> > >
> > > for word in words[:10]:
> > > print word[0], word[1]
> >
> > Sweet. Python get's my vote for most readable in this case.
> > The "for ... in ..." construct is very nice. It saves a lot
> > of time and a lot of error prone indexing code. Thanks for
> > posting it.
>
>
> Python and Ada tie for my favorite languages (with Lisp coming in a
> close second). Which I use, depends on the task at hand. Ada and
> Python seem to have similar philosophies, though on opposite sides of
> the spectrum. Python's designer had as an explicit goal:
>
> "There should only be one obvious way to do anything".
>
> Some think that that stifles creativity, but I disagree. It frees the
> programmer in my mind. While I'm not sure about the Ada designer, it
> seems that a similar philosophy was in play. That's a very
> "engineering" type of thought, as opposed to a "hacker" type of thought.
>
> That's actually my biggest problem with Perl. Its designer had as a
> goal that there should be as may ways to accomplish things as there are
> programmers.
That was not so much a goal as property that emerged as the language
grew. Features were added to make it convenient to do some things, or
to improve code readability, /without worrying about feature overlap.
So you can say either
if (!condition) { statement; }
or
unless (condition) { statement; }
or
statement unless (condition);
Or you can say either
foreach $element (list)
{
do something;
}
or
map { something } (list);
Having more than one way to do things makes it easier to write
readable code. And also easier to write unreadable code.
> Great if you're just a hacker having fun, terrible if
> you're someone maintaining Perl code.
Really not so terrible.
> I think that has more to do with Perl's unreadability than the syntax. I've
> never met a "great" Perl
> programmer (read, Perl hacker), who wasn't completely confused by their
> own two month old code.
Then you've never met a great Perl programmer. The great programmers
I've known can write crystal-clear code in almost any language, with
very little need for explanatory comments beyond class and function
descriptions.
I've read a lot of CPAN modules and found most of them pretty clear.
But there are some very high-level PERL modules that allow one to do a
lot with a little code, and it takes a little effort to learn what
those modules do.
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2004-09-22 0:21 Ada Popularity: Comparison of Ada/Charles with C++ STL (and Perl) Kevin Cline
2004-09-22 2:16 ` Pylinius
2004-09-22 8:50 ` Björn Persson
2004-09-22 13:38 ` Benjamin Ketcham
2004-09-22 14:07 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-22 15:16 ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-23 8:22 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 10:52 ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-23 10:54 ` stephane richard
2004-09-23 11:17 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-09-23 11:47 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-23 13:34 ` Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-23 16:53 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-09-23 18:30 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 19:00 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-09-24 6:04 ` [OT]Screen ergonomics, was " Anders Wirzenius
2004-09-26 7:22 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 17:19 ` Cesar Rabak
2004-09-23 8:51 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-23 11:01 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-09-23 15:59 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 16:38 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-24 2:47 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-24 13:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-09-24 17:47 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-24 18:16 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-29 19:29 ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-09-29 22:44 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-25 14:09 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-26 7:08 ` Kevin Cline
2004-09-26 15:13 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-09-23 19:10 ` jayessay
2004-09-23 21:13 ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-27 2:12 ` Keith H Duggar
2004-09-27 14:21 ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-27 14:51 ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-27 17:10 ` Adam Ruth
2004-09-27 20:16 ` Keith H Duggar
2004-09-27 21:15 ` Chris Humphries
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2004-09-27 20:34 ` Kevin Cline [this message]
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