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From: "Frank J. Lhota" <NOSPAM.lhota.adarose@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:41:11 GMT
Date: 2003-03-12T15:41:11+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ryIba.39834$gi1.12922@nwrdny02.gnilink.net> (raw)
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<tmoran@acm.org> wrote in message news:%UBba.57202$qi4.39112@rwcrnsc54...
> Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com> wrote:
>    So you don't believe in subliminal suggestion or other experimental
> observations?  I suppose observational evidence in favor of one computer
> language over another should also be ignored.  Sheeeesh.

What experimental observations? Keyes may have written some very
entertaining books, but he is not a Psychologist, or a scientist of any kind
for that matter. Keyes has yet to perform a rigorous, controlled, double
blind experiment to test his theories. Others have properly tested the
"Subliminal Seduction" theories, and the results have been consistently
negative.

For example, there is the conjecture that the unconscious mind can read a
text message flashed on a movie or television screen for such a brief period
of time that the conscious mind will not detect it. Presumably, this theory
was proved when a movie theater in Pasadena CA flashed the words "Eat
Popcorn" on their screen, and found that their popcorn sales tripled. Or was
that theater in Niagara Falls NY? Or was the message "Drink Coke"? I have
heard this and other variations of the story. We're dealing with an urban
legend here. There are serious questions as whether this event ever
happened, much less whether this is a valid experiment.

There are ways to perform a double blind experiment to test this conjecture.
For example, you could make two prints of a film, one with the quick flash
message, and one without the message. You show the two prints to two
separate audiences, and measure the audience responses to see if the message
had any effect. Neither the audiences nor those making the measurements
should know which print has the hidden message.

This double blind experiment has been done, and the results were that the
behavior of the audience that saw the hidden message did not differ
significantly from the control audience. It appears that when a messages is
too quick for the conscious mind to read, it is also too quick for the
unconscious mind. I should also point out that modern Psychology has moved
away from the whole conscious / unconscious dichotomy.

In matters or pseudo science and cranks, I usually refer people to the web
site of the Committee for the Scientific Investigation of Claims of the
Paranormal (CSICOP). Their URL is http://www.csicop.org. They have debunked
Brian Wilson Keyes and his "Subliminal Seduction" ideas in the past, but
that was several years ago, and unfortunately they don't have any Keyes
items on the site right now.





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Thread overview: 171+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-25 11:17 Container libraries Jano
2003-02-25 15:48 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-25 19:26   ` Jano
2003-02-26 17:51     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-02-27 12:04       ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-28  7:27         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-03-01 12:29           ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-01 18:20             ` tmoran
2003-03-03 12:56               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-03 15:53               ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-03 18:16                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-03 18:46                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-03 21:03                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-04 12:59                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-04 13:32                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-05 12:46                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-04 13:42                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 15:32                         ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-04 16:05                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05  1:59                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-05  7:54                               ` Pascal Obry
2003-03-05 13:25                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05 16:21                                   ` Pascal Obry
2003-03-05 16:28                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05 21:43                                       ` Pascal Obry
2003-03-06  7:12                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05 15:46                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-05 13:24                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05 17:09                             ` Way OT: Email/Browser clients Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-03-05 20:34                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-06  7:10                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-06 17:48                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-03-05 13:01                           ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Marin David Condic
2003-03-05 13:37                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-06 12:34                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-06 13:28                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-03-06 17:20                                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-06 16:48                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11 22:57                           ` Faust
2003-03-11 22:55                         ` Faust
2003-03-12  7:44                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-12  8:40                             ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-12  8:57                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 19:02                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-05 17:36                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-03-04 19:44                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-05 13:13                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-05 19:11                           ` tmoran
2003-03-05 20:31                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-06 12:51                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-04 23:41                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-04 10:10                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-04 15:40                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-04 15:58                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 16:35                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-04 16:59                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 19:47                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-04 20:14                           ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-04 22:36                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-04 18:39                     ` tmoran
2003-03-05 15:47                       ` Ted Dennison
2003-03-06 11:34                         ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-05 11:18                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-05 15:39                       ` Ted Dennison
2003-03-06  8:50                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-04 16:44                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-04 18:04                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-04 19:53                     ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets/Word Processing Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-04 21:22                       ` Simon Wright
2003-03-04 22:43                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-05 13:12                     ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 19:02                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-04 19:59                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-05  3:07                       ` Document Engineering was " Robert C. Leif
2003-03-06 22:08                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-07  3:19                           ` Document Engineering was RE: Way OT: Adam Smith and SoftwareMarkets Robert C. Leif
2003-03-07 15:12                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-06 22:41                         ` Document Engineering was RE: Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-07  3:19                           ` Document Engineering was RE: Way OT: Adam Smith and SoftwareMarkets Robert C. Leif
2003-03-06 18:02                 ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Jason
2003-03-07  3:19                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-07  8:00                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-07  8:09                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-07 13:32                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-07 14:06                       ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-07 14:51                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-08  5:31                           ` tmoran
2003-03-08 13:26                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-08 17:57                               ` tmoran
2003-03-09  4:06                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-10  3:22                                   ` tmoran
2003-03-09  7:35                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-09 13:56                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-09 18:29                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-09 18:29                               ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-03-09 19:08                               ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-10  0:35                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-09 23:48                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-11 11:07                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-11 18:08                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-11 18:40                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-12 16:44                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-07 15:22                         ` Stanley R. Allen
2003-03-07 15:32                           ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-07 16:01                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-07 18:34                             ` Jason
2003-03-07 19:35                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-11 12:22                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-11 16:22                                   ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-11 18:03                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11 18:14                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-17  7:00                                   ` David Thompson
2003-03-12  8:07                                 ` tmoran
2003-03-12 15:41                                   ` Frank J. Lhota [this message]
2003-03-12 16:09                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-12 18:37                                     ` tmoran
2003-03-12 19:13                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-13 18:21                                     ` Jason
2003-03-13 19:04                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-07 23:44                               ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-09  7:37                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-07 19:24                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-07 19:48                               ` Advertisment for Ada (was Re: Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets) Preben Randhol
2003-03-08 16:02                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-08 18:58                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-10 11:03                                 ` Peter Hermann
2003-03-10 18:43                                   ` Adam Ruth
2003-03-11  8:33                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11  8:58                                       ` Advertisment for Ada Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-03-11  9:05                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11 10:10                                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-03-11 12:26                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-11 16:27                                         ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-11 18:07                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11 23:19                                           ` Faust
2003-03-12  5:55                                             ` Hide Ada's DOD/military connection (Re: Advertisment for Ada) Faust
2003-03-12 16:21                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-12 20:16                                               ` Mike Silva
2003-03-12 21:30                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-12 17:59                                             ` Advertisment for Ada Steve
2003-03-13 23:36                                               ` Faust
2003-03-12 10:24                                           ` Victor Porton
2003-03-08 16:22                             ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Stanley R. Allen
2003-03-09  7:30                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-02 18:04             ` Container libraries Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-01 13:43           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-03  8:38           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-01 10:02         ` A question relating to package interfaces.fortran Zheng Long Gen
2003-02-27 12:47       ` Container libraries Marin David Condic
2003-02-25 22:07 ` Simon Wright
2003-02-25 23:09   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-26  2:21     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-03-02  9:06     ` steve_H
2003-03-02 12:06       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-02 20:17       ` Simon Wright
2003-02-26 18:17   ` Jano
2003-02-26 19:27     ` Simon Wright
2003-02-26 23:10     ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-02-27  8:13     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-26  1:51 ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-02-26 18:17   ` Jano
2003-02-26  8:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-26 18:51 ` Stephen Leake
2003-02-26 19:39 ` Martin Krischik
2003-02-27 17:19   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-02-28 18:28     ` Martin Krischik
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-03-06 15:19 Way OT:Adam Smith and Software Markets Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-03-06 16:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-09 18:32   ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-07  5:31 Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-03-08 10:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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