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From: "Marin David Condic" <mcondic.auntie.spam@acm.org>
Subject: Re: Container libraries
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 07:56:01 -0500
Date: 2003-03-03T12:57:22+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b3vjfi$162$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mR68a.310596$Ec4.308950@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net

You have a point. I'm not sure that it is a fair critique of Adam Smith, but
it is valid to say that some of the cost associated with software is the
cost of acquiring information. A "better" product would be one that is well
documented - saving the consumer some time in figuring out what the product
does and what uses it might be suited to. But even then, a user has to
invest some time in trying to learn all about it. "Better" might also mean
"more intuitive" so that less time is spent figuring it out. "Better" might
also come from establishing a user base where a font of knowledge is
available. (Gnat, for example, is a "better" product than some other
compilers because there are a large number of people one can tap for
answering questions about it - even if it is not as good in some other
respects.) The better products still rise to the top, but the definition of
"better" in the mind of the consumer isn't always based on some sort of
technical advantage.

I think it would be hard - not impossible - but hard to get a container
library into an annex of the ARM. Mostly, it isn't "better" because it takes
so long to get changes into the ARM and it would suffer from Least Common
Denominator Syndrome. I think the appropriate answer is to get some kind of
"official" consensus on the need for a general library of utility code and
establish a mechanism for building & maintaining it. A library that is
endorsed by some significant portion of the compilers out there and
subsequently shipped (or at minimum, referenced) with the compiler would go
a long way toward establishing something as the basic starting point for
containers for those new to the language and without some specialized needs.

MDC
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<tmoran@acm.org> wrote in message
news:mR68a.310596$Ec4.308950@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
>   Unfortunately, as this points out in yet another way, the classic Adam
> Smith free market works very poorly for software.  The cost of a piece of
> software to a user is mostly not $, but information costs of trying to
> find out what's available, how well it does what the user wants, and what
> might it do that the user doesn't want.  Something like a brand name or
> Official Ada Annex validation is really needed to cheaply and reliably
> tell the user "this is a good thing".  How to get the creator of container
> package A to agree that container package B should be the "standard", I
> don't know.





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Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-25 11:17 Container libraries Jano
2003-02-25 15:48 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-25 19:26   ` Jano
2003-02-26 17:51     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-02-27 12:04       ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-28  7:27         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-03-01 12:29           ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-01 18:20             ` tmoran
2003-03-03 12:56               ` Marin David Condic [this message]
2003-03-03 15:53               ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-03 18:16                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-03 18:46                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-03 21:03                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-04 12:59                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-04 13:32                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-05 12:46                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-04 13:42                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 15:32                         ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-04 16:05                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05  1:59                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-05  7:54                               ` Pascal Obry
2003-03-05 13:25                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05 16:21                                   ` Pascal Obry
2003-03-05 16:28                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05 21:43                                       ` Pascal Obry
2003-03-06  7:12                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05 15:46                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-05 13:24                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05 17:09                             ` Way OT: Email/Browser clients Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-03-05 20:34                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-06  7:10                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-06 17:48                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-03-05 13:01                           ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Marin David Condic
2003-03-05 13:37                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-06 12:34                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-06 13:28                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-03-06 17:20                                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-06 16:48                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11 22:57                           ` Faust
2003-03-11 22:55                         ` Faust
2003-03-12  7:44                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-12  8:40                             ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-12  8:57                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 19:02                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-05 17:36                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-03-04 19:44                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-05 13:13                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-05 19:11                           ` tmoran
2003-03-05 20:31                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-06 12:51                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-04 23:41                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-04 10:10                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-04 15:40                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-04 15:58                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 16:35                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-04 16:59                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 19:47                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-04 20:14                           ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-04 22:36                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-04 18:39                     ` tmoran
2003-03-05 15:47                       ` Ted Dennison
2003-03-06 11:34                         ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-05 11:18                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-05 15:39                       ` Ted Dennison
2003-03-06  8:50                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-04 16:44                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-04 18:04                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-04 19:53                     ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets/Word Processing Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-04 21:22                       ` Simon Wright
2003-03-04 22:43                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-05 13:12                     ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 19:02                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-04 19:59                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-05  3:07                       ` Document Engineering was " Robert C. Leif
2003-03-06 22:08                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-07  3:19                           ` Document Engineering was RE: Way OT: Adam Smith and SoftwareMarkets Robert C. Leif
2003-03-07 15:12                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-06 22:41                         ` Document Engineering was RE: Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-07  3:19                           ` Document Engineering was RE: Way OT: Adam Smith and SoftwareMarkets Robert C. Leif
2003-03-06 18:02                 ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Jason
2003-03-07  3:19                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-07  8:00                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-07  8:09                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-07 13:32                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-07 14:06                       ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-07 14:51                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-08  5:31                           ` tmoran
2003-03-08 13:26                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-08 17:57                               ` tmoran
2003-03-09  4:06                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-10  3:22                                   ` tmoran
2003-03-09  7:35                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-09 13:56                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-09 18:29                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-09 18:29                               ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-03-09 19:08                               ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-10  0:35                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-09 23:48                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-11 11:07                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-11 18:08                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-11 18:40                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-12 16:44                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-07 15:22                         ` Stanley R. Allen
2003-03-07 15:32                           ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-07 16:01                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-07 18:34                             ` Jason
2003-03-07 19:35                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-11 12:22                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-11 16:22                                   ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-11 18:03                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11 18:14                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-17  7:00                                   ` David Thompson
2003-03-12  8:07                                 ` tmoran
2003-03-12 15:41                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-12 16:09                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-12 18:37                                     ` tmoran
2003-03-12 19:13                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-13 18:21                                     ` Jason
2003-03-13 19:04                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-07 23:44                               ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-09  7:37                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-07 19:24                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-07 19:48                               ` Advertisment for Ada (was Re: Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets) Preben Randhol
2003-03-08 16:02                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-08 18:58                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-10 11:03                                 ` Peter Hermann
2003-03-10 18:43                                   ` Adam Ruth
2003-03-11  8:33                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11  8:58                                       ` Advertisment for Ada Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-03-11  9:05                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11 10:10                                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-03-11 12:26                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-11 16:27                                         ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-11 18:07                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11 23:19                                           ` Faust
2003-03-12  5:55                                             ` Hide Ada's DOD/military connection (Re: Advertisment for Ada) Faust
2003-03-12 16:21                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-12 20:16                                               ` Mike Silva
2003-03-12 21:30                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-12 17:59                                             ` Advertisment for Ada Steve
2003-03-13 23:36                                               ` Faust
2003-03-12 10:24                                           ` Victor Porton
2003-03-08 16:22                             ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Stanley R. Allen
2003-03-09  7:30                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-02 18:04             ` Container libraries Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-01 13:43           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-03  8:38           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-01 10:02         ` A question relating to package interfaces.fortran Zheng Long Gen
2003-02-27 12:47       ` Container libraries Marin David Condic
2003-02-25 22:07 ` Simon Wright
2003-02-25 23:09   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-26  2:21     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-03-02  9:06     ` steve_H
2003-03-02 12:06       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-02 20:17       ` Simon Wright
2003-02-26 18:17   ` Jano
2003-02-26 19:27     ` Simon Wright
2003-02-26 23:10     ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-02-27  8:13     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-26  1:51 ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-02-26 18:17   ` Jano
2003-02-26  8:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-26 18:51 ` Stephen Leake
2003-02-26 19:39 ` Martin Krischik
2003-02-27 17:19   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-02-28 18:28     ` Martin Krischik
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2003-03-01 16:22 Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
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