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From: "Stanley R. Allen" <u384k@gsde.hou.us.ray.com>
Subject: Re: Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets
Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 10:22:00 -0600
Date: 2003-03-08T10:22:00-06:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b4d5ba$g4d@niven.ksc.nasa.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1047052877.215272@master.nyc.kbcfp.com>

Hyman Rosen wrote:
> Stanley R. Allen wrote:
>> Cf, "The Hidden Persuaders" by Vance Packard.
> 
> Wasn't he the "naked woman in the ice cubes" guy?

No.  Packard was a 'pop' sociologist and pushed no personal pet
theories like Wilson Key.  Packard's book just reports, in a popular
format, about the work of marketers who use 'depth' (psychological)
techniques.

> Subliminal advertising works about as well as hypnosis
> and telepathy, which is to say, not at all.

Huh?  Hypnosis doesn't work?  Telepathy and hypnosis should
not considered together as if they were similar things.

Subliminal advertising was over-sold but it looks to have
some basis in reality, and where it works it does so on
the same principle as hypnosis -- suggestibility.  You can
think of any modern, sophisticated advertising effort (such as
the cascading collection of Budweiser ads that are sprinkled
through the various sporting events on TV) as an experiment
on a broad range of levels of human consciousness.  There are a
number of stages of awareness and "subliminality" just refers
the lowest levels.  There is no magic to it, just like there is
no voodoo associated with the idea of "the unconscious".  It
just means that sometimes we are not aware of some things,
including our own motivations.

The result of the ad experiment is measured as the cash the public
spends on the product.  Their goal is to make the selling and buying
processes as unobtrusive as possible so that people simply don't
notice being persuaded or purchasing (or even consuming!) the product.
To a large extent they've succeeded.  It's the triumph of science to
conquer nature, and the science of marketing targets human nature.

The last frame of this 'toon says it all:
http://www240.pair.com/tomtom/media/arc/1993%20archive/93-04-27-advertising.gif

BTW, budweiser and coca cola seem to have succeeded at a special
kind of sub- or un-conscious marketing that directly relates to
the success of languages like C and C++ -- cultural ubiquity.
The assumptions that people make about their circumambient
situation remain for the most part unexamined.  So it's not a
surprise that programming languages are chosen without much
analysis -- whatever is provided as the norm is tacitly accepted.

-- 
Stanley Allen
mailto:Stanley_R_Allen@Raytheon.com




  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-03-08 16:22 UTC|newest]

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2003-02-25 11:17 Container libraries Jano
2003-02-25 15:48 ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-25 19:26   ` Jano
2003-02-26 17:51     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-02-27 12:04       ` Preben Randhol
2003-02-28  7:27         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-03-01 12:29           ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-01 18:20             ` tmoran
2003-03-03 12:56               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-03 15:53               ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-03 18:16                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-03 18:46                   ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-03 21:03                     ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-04 12:59                     ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-04 13:32                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-05 12:46                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-04 13:42                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 15:32                         ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-04 16:05                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05  1:59                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-05  7:54                               ` Pascal Obry
2003-03-05 13:25                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05 16:21                                   ` Pascal Obry
2003-03-05 16:28                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05 21:43                                       ` Pascal Obry
2003-03-06  7:12                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05 15:46                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-05 13:24                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-05 17:09                             ` Way OT: Email/Browser clients Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-03-05 20:34                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-06  7:10                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-06 17:48                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-03-05 13:01                           ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Marin David Condic
2003-03-05 13:37                             ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-06 12:34                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-06 13:28                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-03-06 17:20                                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-06 16:48                                 ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11 22:57                           ` Faust
2003-03-11 22:55                         ` Faust
2003-03-12  7:44                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-12  8:40                             ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-12  8:57                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 19:02                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-05 17:36                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-03-04 19:44                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-05 13:13                         ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-05 19:11                           ` tmoran
2003-03-05 20:31                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-06 12:51                             ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-04 23:41                       ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-04 10:10                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-04 15:40                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-04 15:58                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 16:35                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-04 16:59                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 19:47                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-04 20:14                           ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-04 22:36                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-04 18:39                     ` tmoran
2003-03-05 15:47                       ` Ted Dennison
2003-03-06 11:34                         ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-05 11:18                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-05 15:39                       ` Ted Dennison
2003-03-06  8:50                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-04 16:44                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-04 18:04                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-04 19:53                     ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets/Word Processing Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-04 21:22                       ` Simon Wright
2003-03-04 22:43                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-05 13:12                     ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Preben Randhol
2003-03-04 19:02                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-04 19:59                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-05  3:07                       ` Document Engineering was " Robert C. Leif
2003-03-06 22:08                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-07  3:19                           ` Document Engineering was RE: Way OT: Adam Smith and SoftwareMarkets Robert C. Leif
2003-03-07 15:12                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-06 22:41                         ` Document Engineering was RE: Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-07  3:19                           ` Document Engineering was RE: Way OT: Adam Smith and SoftwareMarkets Robert C. Leif
2003-03-06 18:02                 ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Jason
2003-03-07  3:19                   ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-07  8:00                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-07  8:09                       ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-07 13:32                     ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-07 14:06                       ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-07 14:51                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-08  5:31                           ` tmoran
2003-03-08 13:26                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-08 17:57                               ` tmoran
2003-03-09  4:06                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-10  3:22                                   ` tmoran
2003-03-09  7:35                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-09 13:56                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-09 18:29                             ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-09 18:29                               ` Jeffrey Creem
2003-03-09 19:08                               ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-10  0:35                                 ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-09 23:48                               ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-11 11:07                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-11 18:08                             ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-11 18:40                               ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-12 16:44                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-07 15:22                         ` Stanley R. Allen
2003-03-07 15:32                           ` Samuel Tardieu
2003-03-07 16:01                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-07 18:34                             ` Jason
2003-03-07 19:35                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-11 12:22                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-11 16:22                                   ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-11 18:03                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11 18:14                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-17  7:00                                   ` David Thompson
2003-03-12  8:07                                 ` tmoran
2003-03-12 15:41                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-12 16:09                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-12 18:37                                     ` tmoran
2003-03-12 19:13                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-13 18:21                                     ` Jason
2003-03-13 19:04                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-07 23:44                               ` Robert C. Leif
2003-03-09  7:37                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-07 19:24                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-03-07 19:48                               ` Advertisment for Ada (was Re: Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets) Preben Randhol
2003-03-08 16:02                                 ` Marin David Condic
2003-03-08 18:58                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-10 11:03                                 ` Peter Hermann
2003-03-10 18:43                                   ` Adam Ruth
2003-03-11  8:33                                     ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11  8:58                                       ` Advertisment for Ada Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-03-11  9:05                                         ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11 10:10                                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2003-03-11 12:26                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-11 16:27                                         ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-11 18:07                                           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-11 23:19                                           ` Faust
2003-03-12  5:55                                             ` Hide Ada's DOD/military connection (Re: Advertisment for Ada) Faust
2003-03-12 16:21                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-12 20:16                                               ` Mike Silva
2003-03-12 21:30                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-03-12 17:59                                             ` Advertisment for Ada Steve
2003-03-13 23:36                                               ` Faust
2003-03-12 10:24                                           ` Victor Porton
2003-03-08 16:22                             ` Stanley R. Allen [this message]
2003-03-09  7:30                               ` Way OT: Adam Smith and Software Markets Hyman Rosen
2003-03-02 18:04             ` Container libraries Georg Bauhaus
2003-03-01 13:43           ` Preben Randhol
2003-03-03  8:38           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-01 10:02         ` A question relating to package interfaces.fortran Zheng Long Gen
2003-02-27 12:47       ` Container libraries Marin David Condic
2003-02-25 22:07 ` Simon Wright
2003-02-25 23:09   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-02-26  2:21     ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-03-02  9:06     ` steve_H
2003-03-02 12:06       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-03-02 20:17       ` Simon Wright
2003-02-26 18:17   ` Jano
2003-02-26 19:27     ` Simon Wright
2003-02-26 23:10     ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-02-27  8:13     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-26  1:51 ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-02-26 18:17   ` Jano
2003-02-26  8:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-02-26 18:51 ` Stephen Leake
2003-02-26 19:39 ` Martin Krischik
2003-02-27 17:19   ` Matthew Heaney
2003-02-28 18:28     ` Martin Krischik
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-03-06 15:19 Way OT:Adam Smith and Software Markets Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-03-06 16:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-03-09 18:32   ` Richard Riehle
2003-03-07  5:31 Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-03-08 10:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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