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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: GCC 4.0 Ada.Containers Cursor danger.
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 18:51:44 -0500
Date: 2005-07-19T18:51:44-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <gbydnUF4UN3IDEDfRVn-3g@megapath.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: gb_Ce.8815$LC6.6336@fe06.lga

"Mikhail Terekhov" <terekhov@emc.com> wrote in message
news:gb_Ce.8815$LC6.6336@fe06.lga...
....
> That is wonderful! Almost any example of using cursor doesn't really
> need cursors. Why this burden then?

Not at all true. Any algorithm that needs to modify the container during the
iteration, or needs to iterate through multiple containers in lockstep, will
need something like cursors. Ada.Containers wants Iterate to be safe, so
modifications of the container raise Program_Error (otherwise, it would be
impractical to insure that the iteration would continue safely).
...
> If you need just a set of references to some elements, then you are all
> set. Ada provides access types, why cursor?

Because access types aren't safe in Ada and cannot be made safe. If we
returned access types from functions (and we considered it), a modification
to the container could destroy the access value unpredictably -- and there
is no way for future uses of the access value to detect that. A cursor is a
higher level abstraction than an access type, and it can be checked. (I
personally think it is unfortunate that we didn't *require* it to be checked
in most cases, but at least an implementation *can* check -- which is
impossible with access types.)

                          Randy.






  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-07-19 23:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 195+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-04 11:01 GCC 4.0 Ada.Containers Cursor danger Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-04 18:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-04 19:07   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-05  4:27   ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-05 15:01     ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06  9:10   ` Maxim Reznik
2005-07-06 10:45     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06 13:57       ` Maxim Reznik
2005-07-06 14:53         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06 15:09         ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06 16:37           ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 16:43             ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06 22:24         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-07 10:23         ` Alex R. Mosteo
2005-07-06 12:41     ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06 15:37     ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06 21:51   ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-05 14:51 ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-05 17:11   ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-05 18:02     ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-05 19:08       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-05 19:26         ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-05 19:44           ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-05 20:06             ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06  2:10               ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 22:44                 ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-07  3:41                   ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 19:18                     ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-08  3:01                       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-09  6:17                         ` Simon Wright
2005-07-11  2:24                           ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-11  2:24                           ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06  5:52     ` Martin Dowie
2005-07-06  7:02       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06  8:02         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06  8:37           ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06  9:06             ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-06 12:14             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06  7:53       ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-06  8:44         ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06  9:03           ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-06  9:34             ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06  9:42               ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-06  9:45                 ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 10:40                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06 16:22                     ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 16:42                       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06 16:59                         ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 17:12                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06 18:12                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-07 12:29                         ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 12:46                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07 13:01                             ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 13:20                               ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07 13:54                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-07 17:56                             ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 22:12                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-15 18:03                                 ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-16  1:45                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-17  3:55                                     ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-17  4:29                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07 19:29                           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-08  2:41                             ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 22:56               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-06 22:51         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-07  0:24           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07  3:20             ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-06  7:30     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-06  7:50       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06  8:11         ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 11:36         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-06 12:14           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06 23:07           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-07  8:01             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-07 10:38               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-07 13:00                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-07 13:41                   ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07 22:12                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-08  8:48                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-08 10:41                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-08 13:03                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-08 13:31                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-10  2:12                           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-10  8:52                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-11 10:58                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-11 12:18                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-11 13:50                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-11 18:38                               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-12  8:44                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-12 10:33                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-12 20:38                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-08 13:15                       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-08 14:02                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-08 14:52                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-11 14:57                             ` MMM
2005-07-11 18:36                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-12  2:11                                 ` MMM
2005-07-12 21:47                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-13  4:31                                     ` MMM
2005-07-13  1:15                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-13  2:46                                     ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-14  4:11                                     ` Mikhail Terekhov
2005-07-14 12:44                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-19  1:38                                         ` Mikhail Terekhov
2005-07-19  3:21                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-14 23:03                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-15  8:36                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-15 10:39                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-15 14:10                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-15 12:10                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-19  3:51                                             ` Mikhail Terekhov
2005-07-19 11:35                                               ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-19  3:11                                         ` Mikhail Terekhov
2005-07-19 12:44                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-20  5:20                                             ` Simon Wright
2005-07-21  2:39                                               ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-21  3:23                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-19 23:51                                           ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2005-07-20 15:33                                             ` Robert A Duff
2005-07-11 14:56                         ` MMM
2005-07-11 23:24                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12  3:05                             ` MMM
2005-07-12  5:32                               ` Simon Wright
2005-07-13  2:41                                 ` MMM
2005-07-12 11:16                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-16 22:28                                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-07-12 13:32                               ` Marc A. Criley
2005-07-12 14:51                                 ` MMM
2005-07-12 15:35                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12 18:40                                     ` MMM
2005-07-12 19:12                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12 19:42                                         ` MMM
2005-07-12 20:02                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-13  3:52                                             ` MMM
2005-07-12 20:13                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12 21:38                                     ` Simon Wright
2005-07-12 17:44                                   ` Marc A. Criley
2005-07-12 18:51                                     ` MMM
2005-07-12 19:15                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12 19:47                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-13  2:20                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12 20:00                                         ` MMM
2005-07-12 20:09                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-12 20:15                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12 21:01                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-13  4:16                                             ` MMM
2005-07-19 23:58                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-12 21:59                                         ` Simon Wright
2005-07-12 20:56                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-14  5:01                                         ` Mikhail Terekhov
2005-07-20  0:10                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-07 12:36               ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07 12:52             ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 13:52               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-07 17:49               ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 18:35                 ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-08 17:52                   ` Craig Carey
2005-07-07 17:50               ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 19:47               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-08  2:28                 ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-09 14:20                   ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-10  1:51                   ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-10  5:46                     ` Craig Carey
2005-07-10  6:13                       ` Craig Carey
2005-07-11 17:33                       ` OT: Greg and Colin? (was Re: GCC 4.0 Ada.Containers Cursor danger.) Marc A. Criley
2005-07-06 22:34     ` GCC 4.0 Ada.Containers Cursor danger Randy Brukardt
2005-07-07  0:22       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07  3:17         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-08  5:34           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-07-10  1:53             ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-10 19:32               ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-07-07  3:24         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-16 23:24 ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-17  4:04   ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-17  5:01     ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-17 17:13       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-17 17:36         ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-17 17:49           ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-17 18:12             ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-17 17:40       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-17 17:50         ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-17 18:08         ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-19  4:36           ` Mikhail Terekhov
2005-07-20  1:59             ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-20 14:00               ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-20 14:34                 ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-20 16:51                   ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-20 16:53                   ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-21  3:18                   ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-20  2:37             ` Robert I. Eachus
2005-08-02 16:59               ` Craig Carey
2005-08-02 20:55                 ` Simon Wright
2005-07-20  7:20             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-17  9:28     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-17 14:26       ` Matthew Heaney
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