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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: GCC 4.0 Ada.Containers Cursor danger.
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 16:51:35 -0500
Date: 2005-07-06T16:51:35-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SOednTL0Gq83zFHfRVn-sQ@megapath.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 42C98672.3020705@arcor.de

"Georg Bauhaus" <bauhaus@arcor.de> wrote in message
news:42C98672.3020705@arcor.de...
> Dmitriy Anisimkov wrote:
> > IMHO the cursors in the Ada.Containers implemented in GCC 4.0
> > dangerouse like pointers in C/C++.
>
> I think saying that Cursors are as dangerous as Ada pointers
> is more to the point. IIRC there are significant
> differences between Ada.Containers and STL, more checks i.e.
>
> Not sure though why Replace_Element doesn't raise an exception,
> possibly because messing around with two pointers to the same object
> and then deleting the object can lead to erroneous execution:

Yes. It's very expensive to make such checks that would be bulletproof (a
cursor would need to be a controlled type with an indirect reference to the
container, and the container would need to maintain a list of all existence
cursors). Thus the checks aren't mandated.

However, these checks are relatively easy to make in cases like the one
given. And nothing in the standard prevents an implementation from making a
check in this case. I believe that Ada implementations ought to make such
checks in the easy cases (certainly the Janus/Ada implementation will). One
of the real advantages to cursors in this case is that checks *can* be made;
if we had used access types directly, no such checks would be possible.

One can imagine a debugging version of the containers that made all possible
checks, no matter what the cost. (I think my design is good enough for
general use, because we can check almost all errors for a small additional
cost in the size of cursors.)

                  Randy Brukardt

                          Randy Brukardt






  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-07-06 21:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 195+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-04 11:01 GCC 4.0 Ada.Containers Cursor danger Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-04 18:56 ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-04 19:07   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-05  4:27   ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-05 15:01     ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06  9:10   ` Maxim Reznik
2005-07-06 10:45     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06 13:57       ` Maxim Reznik
2005-07-06 14:53         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06 15:09         ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06 16:37           ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 16:43             ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06 22:24         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-07 10:23         ` Alex R. Mosteo
2005-07-06 12:41     ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06 15:37     ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06 21:51   ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2005-07-05 14:51 ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-05 17:11   ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-05 18:02     ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-05 19:08       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-05 19:26         ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-05 19:44           ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-05 20:06             ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06  2:10               ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 22:44                 ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-07  3:41                   ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 19:18                     ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-08  3:01                       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-09  6:17                         ` Simon Wright
2005-07-11  2:24                           ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-11  2:24                           ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06  5:52     ` Martin Dowie
2005-07-06  7:02       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06  8:02         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06  8:37           ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06  9:06             ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-06 12:14             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06  7:53       ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-06  8:44         ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06  9:03           ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-06  9:34             ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06  9:42               ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-06  9:45                 ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 10:40                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06 16:22                     ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 16:42                       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06 16:59                         ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 17:12                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-06 18:12                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-07 12:29                         ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 12:46                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07 13:01                             ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 13:20                               ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07 13:54                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-07 17:56                             ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 22:12                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-15 18:03                                 ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-16  1:45                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-17  3:55                                     ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-17  4:29                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07 19:29                           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-08  2:41                             ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 22:56               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-06 22:51         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-07  0:24           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07  3:20             ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-06  7:30     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-06  7:50       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06  8:11         ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-06 11:36         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-06 12:14           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-06 23:07           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-07  8:01             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-07 10:38               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-07 13:00                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-07 13:41                   ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07 22:12                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-08  8:48                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-08 10:41                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-08 13:03                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-08 13:31                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-10  2:12                           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-10  8:52                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-11 10:58                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-11 12:18                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-11 13:50                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-11 18:38                               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-12  8:44                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-12 10:33                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-12 20:38                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-08 13:15                       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-08 14:02                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-08 14:52                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-11 14:57                             ` MMM
2005-07-11 18:36                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-12  2:11                                 ` MMM
2005-07-12 21:47                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-13  4:31                                     ` MMM
2005-07-13  1:15                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-13  2:46                                     ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-14  4:11                                     ` Mikhail Terekhov
2005-07-14 12:44                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-19  1:38                                         ` Mikhail Terekhov
2005-07-19  3:21                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-14 23:03                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-15  8:36                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-15 10:39                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-15 14:10                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-15 12:10                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-19  3:51                                             ` Mikhail Terekhov
2005-07-19 11:35                                               ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-19  3:11                                         ` Mikhail Terekhov
2005-07-19 12:44                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-20  5:20                                             ` Simon Wright
2005-07-21  2:39                                               ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-21  3:23                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-19 23:51                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-20 15:33                                             ` Robert A Duff
2005-07-11 14:56                         ` MMM
2005-07-11 23:24                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12  3:05                             ` MMM
2005-07-12  5:32                               ` Simon Wright
2005-07-13  2:41                                 ` MMM
2005-07-12 11:16                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-16 22:28                                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-07-12 13:32                               ` Marc A. Criley
2005-07-12 14:51                                 ` MMM
2005-07-12 15:35                                   ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12 18:40                                     ` MMM
2005-07-12 19:12                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12 19:42                                         ` MMM
2005-07-12 20:02                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-13  3:52                                             ` MMM
2005-07-12 20:13                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12 21:38                                     ` Simon Wright
2005-07-12 17:44                                   ` Marc A. Criley
2005-07-12 18:51                                     ` MMM
2005-07-12 19:15                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12 19:47                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-13  2:20                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12 20:00                                         ` MMM
2005-07-12 20:09                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-12 20:15                                           ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-12 21:01                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-13  4:16                                             ` MMM
2005-07-19 23:58                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-12 21:59                                         ` Simon Wright
2005-07-12 20:56                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-14  5:01                                         ` Mikhail Terekhov
2005-07-20  0:10                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-07 12:36               ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07 12:52             ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 13:52               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-07 17:49               ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 18:35                 ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-08 17:52                   ` Craig Carey
2005-07-07 17:50               ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-07 19:47               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-08  2:28                 ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-09 14:20                   ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-10  1:51                   ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-10  5:46                     ` Craig Carey
2005-07-10  6:13                       ` Craig Carey
2005-07-11 17:33                       ` OT: Greg and Colin? (was Re: GCC 4.0 Ada.Containers Cursor danger.) Marc A. Criley
2005-07-06 22:34     ` GCC 4.0 Ada.Containers Cursor danger Randy Brukardt
2005-07-07  0:22       ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-07  3:17         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-08  5:34           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-07-10  1:53             ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-10 19:32               ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-07-07  3:24         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-16 23:24 ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-17  4:04   ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-17  5:01     ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-17 17:13       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-17 17:36         ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-17 17:49           ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-17 18:12             ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-17 17:40       ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-17 17:50         ` Dmitriy Anisimkov
2005-07-17 18:08         ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-19  4:36           ` Mikhail Terekhov
2005-07-20  1:59             ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-20 14:00               ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-20 14:34                 ` Matthew Heaney
2005-07-20 16:51                   ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-20 16:53                   ` Pascal Obry
2005-07-21  3:18                   ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-20  2:37             ` Robert I. Eachus
2005-08-02 16:59               ` Craig Carey
2005-08-02 20:55                 ` Simon Wright
2005-07-20  7:20             ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-17  9:28     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-17 14:26       ` Matthew Heaney
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