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From: Paul Rubin <no.email@nospam.invalid>
Subject: Re: Languages don't  matter.  A mathematical refutation
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:44:49 -0700
Date: 2015-04-04T13:44:49-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pp7j62ta.fsf@jester.gateway.sonic.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 32ecaopodr1g.1xqh7ssdpa2ud.dlg@40tude.net

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> writes:
> In Ada memory management is automatic

Do you mean something other than stack allocation and "new"?  For most
of us, automatic memory management means gc.

> Indeterministic time is of minor importance compared to
> indeterministic behavior in general, which means the program being
> non-testable and unmaintainable.  

Dennis said specifically, his program needs determinstic time.  Some
programs are like that.

> Since GC cannot be statically analyzed, because if it could be, you
> would not need GC,

That's a cool observation, thanks for it.

> having it non-testable eliminates all means of quality assurance. End
> of story.

I don't think that's right.  Being unable to statically analyze GC means
you can't prove your program will never crash from memory exhaustion.
In avionics, that may be intolerable and you better not use GC.  In
other areas (example: compilers), you may care more that your program
never computes a wrong result than that it never crash, so if after
reasonable testing it doesn't seem to have memory leaks, you are fine
and GC is great.  

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-04 20:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-25 11:46 Languages don't matter. A mathematical refutation Jean François Martinez
2015-03-25 15:19 ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-03  0:50   ` robin.vowels
2015-04-03  2:18     ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-04-03 13:37       ` Bob Duff
2015-04-03 14:13         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-03 17:34           ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-03 19:34             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-03 19:58               ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-04  6:59                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-06 21:12                   ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-07  5:57                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-08  4:12                       ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-08  6:45                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-04  0:41             ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-04-04  3:05               ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-04 14:46                 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-04-04 15:41                   ` brbarkstrom
2015-04-04 19:20                   ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-04 20:00                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-04 20:44                       ` Paul Rubin [this message]
2015-04-05  8:00                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-05  9:55                           ` Brian Drummond
2015-04-06 21:27                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-04-06 17:07                           ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-06 17:41                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-06 18:35                               ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-06 21:46                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-04-06 22:12                                   ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-06 23:40                                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-04-07 19:07                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-04-08  3:53                                       ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-08 21:16                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-04-09  1:36                                           ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-09 23:26                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-04-09  2:36                                           ` David Botton
2015-04-09  8:55                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-04-09  9:38                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-09 13:14                                               ` G.B.
2015-04-09 14:35                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-09 15:43                                                   ` G.B.
2015-04-09 17:26                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-09 18:40                                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2015-04-09 19:02                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-09 20:38                                                       ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-09 23:35                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-04-10 14:16                                               ` G.B.
2015-04-10 20:58                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-04-07  0:36                                 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-04-05 13:57                     ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-04-03 16:17         ` J-P. Rosen
2015-04-03 17:33           ` Bob Duff
2015-04-26 11:38             ` David Thompson
2015-04-03 19:00         ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-04-03 19:12         ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-04-03 22:37           ` Bob Duff
2015-04-03 23:38             ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-04-04  0:15               ` Bob Duff
2015-04-04  7:06                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-04  2:59               ` Paul Rubin
2015-04-04  0:56             ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-03-25 17:12 ` Jean François Martinez
2015-03-26 13:43 ` Maciej Sobczak
2015-03-26 15:01   ` Jean François Martinez
2015-03-26 17:45     ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-03-26 15:21   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-03-27 11:25     ` Jean François Martinez
2015-03-27 17:36       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-03-30 10:31         ` Jean François Martinez
2015-03-30 11:52           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-03-30 12:32             ` G.B.
2015-03-30 13:48               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-03-30 15:47                 ` G.B.
2015-03-30 16:05                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-02 12:59                     ` brbarkstrom
2015-04-02 13:35                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-02 14:48                         ` jm.tarrasa
2015-04-02 15:55                           ` brbarkstrom
2015-04-02 16:21                             ` Jean François Martinez
2015-04-02 16:48                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-02 16:41                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-04 10:02                             ` jm.tarrasa
2015-04-04 11:16                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-02 15:58                         ` Jean François Martinez
2015-04-02 16:39                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-03  9:46                             ` Jean François Martinez
2015-04-03 14:00                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-03 17:12                                 ` Jean François Martinez
2015-04-02 17:17                         ` G.B.
2015-04-02 19:09                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-04-02 18:24                       ` Niklas Holsti
2015-04-02 18:43                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-03-30 11:36         ` Jean François Martinez
2015-03-30 10:48       ` jm.tarrasa
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