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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: What's stopping you from using Ada for your next commercial project?
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:58:08 +0100
Date: 2011-03-13T12:58:01+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <zhov5p06zbug$.1kbs4fht17izn$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: op.vr949sxuule2fv@index.ici

On Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:38:06 +0100, Yannick Duch�ne (Hibou57) wrote:

> Le Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:31:46 +0100, Dmitry A. Kazakov  
> <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> a �crit:
>> The  difference
>> between 80's (when Ada and C++ were originated) and now is huge. Unless
>> really new computing paradigms arise (quantum, molecular computing),
> Will not be part of every-day use computers any way (this will target  
> communication and security, mainly).

If usable, they will replace old computers within a decade. The life cycle
of a computer is very short.

>> it is
>> perfectly clear how a good language must look like.
> Precisely no. What it must look like comes with experience, and  
> experiences requires some time.

30+ years is enough on any account.

> The issue here may just be backward compatibility (and to not be  
> forced to switch to any future standard),

It is always taken as an excuse not to do vital changes, note, before even
considering how these changes might look like.

You cannot improve language by small incremental changes. If you want this
then keeping it backward compatible is only possible by a big structural
change.

>>> BC++ is crap. If you have to target it, you can expect problems and I
>>> can understand that the combination with the other two is problematic.
>>
>> How a company which produced the first people's C++ compiler managed to
>> achieve this pitiful state 20 years later?

> Turbo Borland C++ was not good even since its early days (my first contact  
> with C++, with with Turbo Borland C++).

It was better than most contemporary C++ compilers.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-13 11:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-08 22:23 What's stopping you from using Ada for your next commercial project? Lucretia
2011-03-09  3:19 ` Hoàng Đình Long
2011-03-09  8:41   ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-09  8:58 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-09 14:17   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-09 14:21     ` localhost
2011-03-09 15:06       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-09 15:17         ` localhost
2011-03-10 14:20     ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-03-10 14:31       ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 16:01         ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 16:07       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 17:31         ` Dirk Craeynest
2011-03-09 20:43   ` Simon Wright
2011-03-09 22:04     ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-10  0:38       ` Lucretia
2011-03-10  7:52         ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-10  8:06       ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10  8:26         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-03-10 10:28           ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 10:45           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-03-11  9:40           ` Hoàng Đình Long
2011-03-13 11:09             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 10:55           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-10  8:27         ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-10 10:35           ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 11:12             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 12:17               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 12:27               ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 12:58                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 13:30                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 13:49                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-10 14:31                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 14:45                       ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-10 15:17                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-13 11:38                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 11:58                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2011-03-13 12:17                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 14:35                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-14  2:38                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14  8:43                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 21:11                 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-11  8:12                   ` Manfred Kremer
2011-03-11 12:04                     ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-03-11 22:40                       ` Randy Brukardt
2011-03-11 23:24                         ` Dan
2011-03-10 13:33           ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-10 17:08           ` Dirk Craeynest
2011-03-14 19:11           ` Florian Weimer
2011-03-14 21:10             ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-13 10:51         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 10:24       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 21:43         ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-13 22:04           ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-14  0:09           ` Simon Wright
2011-03-14  2:57             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 16:45               ` Pascal Obry
2011-03-14 18:29               ` Simon Wright
2011-03-14 18:37             ` Florian Weimer
2011-03-14 19:43               ` Simon Wright
2011-03-14  2:53           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 10:29       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 21:48         ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-13 10:34       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-13 11:42         ` Simon Wright
2011-03-13 12:06           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-12 19:55     ` Florian Weimer
2011-03-25 12:36   ` Marco
2011-03-25 22:30     ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-03-26 12:00       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-27 21:13         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-27 20:49     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-09  9:11 ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-12 21:50   ` Lucretia
2011-03-09 10:39 ` localhost
2011-03-09 11:24   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2011-03-09 11:38     ` localhost
2011-03-09 14:16       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-10 10:21     ` Gerd
2011-03-10 11:27       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-10 11:49       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-11  8:37       ` Stephen Leake
2011-03-11 12:08         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-03-11 15:15         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-11 15:37         ` Hyman Rosen
2011-03-12 20:26           ` Florian Weimer
2011-03-26 15:15         ` Gerd
2011-03-26 16:20           ` Pascal Obry
2011-03-09 11:36   ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-03-09 11:42     ` localhost
2011-03-10  2:22 ` KK6GM
2011-03-11 14:01   ` Rego
2011-03-11 15:20     ` KK6GM
2011-03-11 16:42       ` Rego
2011-03-11 18:15         ` KK6GM
2011-03-11 20:09           ` Thomas Løcke
2011-03-11 16:46       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-14 12:18         ` jonathan
2011-03-14 14:12           ` KK6GM
2011-04-08 12:53             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2011-03-14 18:00           ` Niklas Holsti
2011-03-12 12:47       ` Stephen Leake
2011-03-12 18:15         ` KK6GM
2011-03-13 17:55           ` Lucretia
2011-03-14  3:28             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-15  0:40               ` Lucretia
2011-03-14  3:20         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14  3:17       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 12:15         ` KK6GM
2011-03-14 13:41           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 14:05             ` KK6GM
2011-03-14 14:38               ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-03-14 14:07             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-14 14:00           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-03-14 14:09             ` KK6GM
2011-03-14 14:42               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 17:17                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-03-14 17:25                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 20:04                     ` Simon Clubley
2011-03-14 22:12                       ` J-P. Rosen
2011-03-15 12:11                         ` Simon Clubley
2011-03-15 20:25                           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-03-15 14:55                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-15 20:28                           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-03-15  4:10                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-14 14:39             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-03-10 21:35 ` Gautier write-only
2011-03-13 12:04   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
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