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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: A simple ADA puzzle (I haven't the answer)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:08:04 -0500
Date: 2004-06-28T19:08:04-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <zd-dneTS0MFQL33dRVn-hA@megapath.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: pan.2004.06.26.07.41.42.776463@dmitry-kazakov.de

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.06.26.07.41.42.776463@dmitry-kazakov.de...
> On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:37:20 -0500, Randy Brukardt wrote:
> > If you creating dangling pointers with Unchecked_Conversion or with
> > 'Unchecked_Access, and the dangling pointer is dereferenced, your
program is
> > erroneous. Nothing new there.
>
> Well, there are shades of being erroneous. Probably, because accessibility
> checks were undiscriminating, 'Unchecked_Access managed to become almost a
> decent citizen. It seems that now 'Unchecked_Access will be less
> necessary, but more dangerous. Bad news for those lazy, who accustomed to
> type it automatically instead of 'Access.

I don't follow. It's going to be just as necessary, because the usual use is
to use it inside of a subprogram to put an object on a global chain. Even if
the object is known to be global, or finalization cleans up properly (as in
Claw), it still fails the accessibility check.

Similarly, the creation of dangling pointers isn't new. And it could hardly
get more dangerous than dereferencing a dangling pointer and writing over
someone else's memory - which can happen with any dangling pointer.
Dispatching (which only involves reading) is the least of the problems --
and typically it would trap even before getting anywhere (because the tag
has been overwritten) -- much less bad than the typical write through a
dangling pointer.

                      Randy.






  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-29  0:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-16 15:40 A simple ADA puzzle (I haven't the answer) Abby
2004-06-16 16:21 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-16 16:26   ` Abby
2004-06-16 17:01     ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-16 17:18       ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-17  6:57         ` Brian May
2004-06-17 12:44         ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-16 17:58     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-23 21:14       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-16 19:51     ` Simon Wright
2004-06-16 17:56   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-16 22:25     ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-17  0:41       ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-17  7:45         ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-17 14:20     ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-18 18:07     ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-06-18 18:37       ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-19  2:11         ` Brian May
2004-06-19 11:25         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-06-19  1:27       ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-19 11:17         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-06-16 18:31   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-16 20:16     ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-16 21:05       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 13:26         ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-17 14:19           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 15:24             ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-23 21:27               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-17 19:17           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-16 22:48     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-17 10:25       ` Björn Persson
2004-06-17 14:33         ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-17 23:15           ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-06-23 21:30           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-17  8:06     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-17 12:19       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 14:16         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-17 14:17           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 22:51           ` Brian May
2004-06-18  7:50             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-18 12:32               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-18  9:14           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-06-18 12:24             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-18 12:41             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-18 13:16               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-18 14:01                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-18 16:14                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-19  9:31                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-21  3:30                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-21  8:16                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-21 16:32                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-22  2:19                             ` David Starner
2004-06-22 13:03                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-23 21:37                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-24  8:39                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-24 20:53                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-25  8:24                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-25 17:37                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-26  7:55                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-29  0:08                                       ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2004-06-29  9:32                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-29 18:36                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-23 21:21     ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-24  1:03       ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-24 15:19       ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-24 16:04         ` Ed Falis
2004-06-24 21:04           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-25 15:30             ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-25 18:16               ` Bob Spooner
2004-06-25 19:23                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-26 15:26                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-28  4:52                     ` Steve
2004-07-04 19:06                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-29  0:03                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-24 21:00         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-16 16:49 ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-17 10:58   ` Björn Persson
2004-06-17  3:48 ` Steve
2004-06-17 10:39   ` Björn Persson
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-06-17  8:38 Christoph Karl Walter Grein
2004-06-23 21:43 ` Randy Brukardt
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