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From: Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: another way to shoot yourself in the foot?
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 20:07:09 -0500
Date: 2008-07-09T20:07:09-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yhddk.11899$cW3.1130@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <97999a95-1d2f-4bbb-8dd2-c528bd37e7c4@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>

Terence wrote:
> SNIP:-
> 
>>Why does Gary Scott's company use almost entirely C++ if Gary Scott recommended Fortran?

Well, a main reason is that vendors don't typically provide 
cross-compilers for Fortran.  I use Fortran for my own data analysis and 
GUI tools development.  The actual company products are hosted in 
embedded processors and the customer dictates various aspects of the 
development process, tools, etc.  Another stated reason is that "it's 
easier to find C programmers than Ada programmers".  That applies to 
just about any other language suitable for real-time programming, 
although one vendor is pushing "real-time" Java.

> 
> 
> I have met this situation many times.
> As an example, a very large Oil Company first wrote its accounting
> software n 1961 in Fortran, using integer arithemetic and separate
> tracking of cents or pennies, on an IBM 1401 (after using plugboard
> hardware). This included payroll.
> 
> Later, following IBM advice they took the PL/1 route after first
> deviating via Cobol (and RPG and Mark4 !).
> 
> Very much later, Cobol, PL/1 and Fortran programmers became hard to
> find, so the C and C++ languages were adopted after a look at Ada and
> much talk with Borland. Basic was considered and actually used for
> quick "stuff". Meanwhile I kept on updating the Fortran compilers and
> the BMD and BMDP mathematical packages (which are/were Fortran IV
> source code).
> 
> The points to consider always are:-
> a) what the programming gurus" on staff think are the best options,
> b) what the personnel staff say are the long-range availability of
> programming candidates and prices,
> c) what the universities and technical colleges have decided to teach
> for problem-solving, especially to electrical, engineering and
> geophysical/geology and mining students.
> 
> What a company finally decides on, can differ, even when competing in
> the same fields.
> And so long-term computer expert staff may know one language is far
> better for the company's future, through years of exposure and use of
> alternatives, yet have to bow to instructives based on economic
> forces.
> 
> One solution I was not able to implement, was to take any new
> programmers willing and available, and re-teach them a reasoned,
> chosen and company-wide imposed language, which would have been
> Fortran IV (over PL/1 by a hair) and of course going to F90 as soon an
> F95 became available, one sure step behind.
> 
> I DID manage to get the concept accepted of hard-disk computer
> workstations instead of terminals and maninframes well before it
> became glaringly obvious as cheaper and more flexible.
> Intercommunication was via minicomputers as message and file-passing
> nodes and central file back-up and archiving points.


-- 

Gary Scott
mailto:garylscott@sbcglobal dot net

Fortran Library:  http://www.fortranlib.com

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If you want to do the impossible, don't hire an expert because he knows 
it can't be done.

-- Henry Ford



  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-10  1:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-20  9:03 another way to shoot yourself in the foot? fedya_fedyakoff
2008-06-20  9:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-06-20  9:48   ` fedya_fedyakoff
2008-06-20 10:01     ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-06-20 10:05 ` christoph.grein
2008-06-20 10:26   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-06-20 16:12     ` Adam Beneschan
2008-06-20 15:48   ` Adam Beneschan
2008-06-20 19:27   ` Robert A Duff
2008-06-20 23:37     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-06-21  8:56       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-06-22 20:44         ` Robert A Duff
2008-06-23  7:49           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-06-24  4:02             ` george.priv
2008-06-24  7:30               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-06-24 17:16                 ` Robert A Duff
2008-06-24 19:15                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-06-24 20:31                     ` Robert A Duff
2008-06-24 20:50                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2008-06-24 23:02                         ` Robert A Duff
2008-06-24 23:42                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-06-24 21:24                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-06-24 23:24                         ` Robert A Duff
2008-06-25 15:07                       ` Adam Beneschan
2008-06-24 14:59             ` Adam Beneschan
2008-06-24 16:41               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-06-24 17:20                 ` Robert A Duff
2008-06-24 17:52                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-06-24 23:35                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-06-25  8:09                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-06-25 10:32                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2008-06-25 12:06                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2008-06-22 20:37       ` Robert A Duff
2008-06-22 21:25         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2008-07-04 20:52           ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-07-04 22:15             ` (see below)
2008-07-05 16:06               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-07-05 13:38             ` Gary Scott
2008-07-05 16:42               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-07-05 19:00                 ` Gary Scott
2008-07-09 19:39                   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-07-09 20:35                     ` Richard Maine
2008-07-09 22:49                       ` Terence
2008-07-10  1:07                         ` Gary Scott [this message]
2008-07-10 14:10                       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2008-07-10 14:57                         ` fj
2008-07-10 16:47                           ` Richard Maine
2008-07-10 17:03                         ` Dick Hendrickson
2008-07-10 17:26                           ` Craig Powers
2008-07-10 19:55                             ` James Giles
2008-07-10 20:45                               ` Dick Hendrickson
2008-07-10 21:22                                 ` Richard Maine
2008-07-10 21:29                                   ` Craig Powers
2008-07-10 20:45                               ` Craig Powers
2008-07-10 19:51                           ` James Giles
2008-07-11 15:02                             ` Colin Paul Gloster
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