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From: Jacob Sparre Andersen <sparre@nbi.dk>
Subject: Re: Ada as a first language
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 06:56:54 +0100
Date: 2009-03-24T06:56:54+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yge3ad379ax.fsf@sparre-andersen.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7NadnVUQy9Nzm1XUnZ2dnUVZ_geWnZ2d@earthlink.com

Brian wrote:
> Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:

>> Considering the papers I have read comparing how engineering
>> students succeed in implementing embedded systems in Ada and C, I
>> disagree.
>>
>> There is of course the difference that the students most likely got
>> their development system served on a silver platter.  You may want
>> to see if you can get information on what they have been working
>> with.  (Asking John W. McCormick might be the easy way to get the
>> information.)
>
> Hmmm, with no consideration of the scope, size, and complexity of the 
> problem space that Chris is trying to tackle, you disagree?

I _have_ considered the scope, size and complexity of the problem
space Chris was kind enough to describe.  Given that information, my
experience with teaching people software engineering, my own
programming experience, and my experience with hobbyist scale
robotics, I stand firmly by my disagreement with your advice.

> So, you truly believe that Ada is a better language, no matter what
> he is trying to achieve?

I never claimed that.

> For any size project?

I expect that the benefits grow with project size.  But given the
constraints I considered, yes!

> It isn't the perfect tool for every situation, embedded or not.  And
> we should stop saying that it is, the language and it's proponents
> are losing credibility.

I never claimed that Ada is the perfect tool for every situation.
Stop #�%&!" putting words in my mouth!

Greetings,

Jacob
-- 
Stop the proliferation of weapons of maths instruction!



  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-03-24  5:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-22  2:26 Ada as a first language Chris
2009-03-22 10:36 ` mockturtle
2009-03-22 14:44 ` Brian Drummond
2009-03-23 11:03   ` Peter C. Chapin
2009-03-23 13:29     ` Brian Drummond
2009-03-25 10:51       ` Peter C. Chapin
2009-03-23 16:59   ` rolf.ebert_nospam_
2009-03-24 19:22   ` Tim Rowe
2009-04-04  1:42     ` Brian Gaffney
2009-04-07  9:50       ` Alex R. Mosteo
2009-03-22 15:21 ` Gary Scott
2009-03-23  8:28 ` Brian
2009-03-23  9:05   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2009-03-23 22:02     ` Brian
2009-03-24  1:41       ` Gautier
2009-03-24  5:56       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen [this message]
2009-03-24 22:30         ` Brian
2009-03-25  9:41           ` rmoldskr+usenet
2009-03-25 22:27             ` Brian
2009-03-25 17:58       ` John McCormick
2009-03-25 23:20         ` Brian
2009-03-23 12:08 ` Chris
2009-03-25 21:10   ` John McCormick
2009-04-11 16:40   ` Mike Silva
2009-03-23 23:05 ` jpwoodruff
2009-03-25  0:16 ` Martin
2009-03-25 15:54 ` John McCormick
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1997-07-03  0:00 Ada as a First Language RC
1997-07-03  0:00 ` Michael Feldman
1997-07-06  0:00 ` Alan Brain
1997-07-06  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-16  0:00   ` Eric James DeArment
1997-07-07  0:00 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
1992-12-29 15:40 agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!vx9000.weber.edu!
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