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From: Keith Thompson <kst@cts.com>
Subject: Re: gnat: time-slicing
Date: 21 Jul 2002 03:58:22 -0700
Date: 2002-07-21T03:58:22-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yecit395ovl.fsf@king.cts.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5ee5b646.0207200347.2c61f610@posting.google.com

dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) writes:
[...]
> I actually like the use of the term erroneous as opposed to
> undefined, but in any case, the point is that both the terms
> undefined in C and erroneous in Ada are technical terms. In both
> cases you will get into trouble if you think of them as meaning just
> what they mean in English.

Hmm.  It's difficult to disagree with that, but somehow I manage to do
so.  8-)}

Yes, it's important to keep in mind that technical terms mean what the
standard says they mean, which doesn't necessarily match what they
mean in plain English.  It's also important for technical terms to be
chosen so as to minimize confusion.

Nobody is likely to use the phrase "undefined behavior" in anything
other than its technical meaning, or something very close to it.  The
technical meaning happens to be very close to its plain English
meaning.  Also, it's a phrase that people aren't likely to use
accidentally.

In contrast, I've heard people refer to Ada programs as "erroneous"
when they mean simply that they're incorrect.  When we discuss Ada, we
have to consciously delete the fairly common word "erroneous" from our
vocabularies, and replace it with the technical term.  The problem is
that the meaning of the technical term diverges too far from the
common meaning.

Finally, for whatever reason, there's a tendency to use the word
"erroneous" by itself, rather than in the phrase "erroneous execution"
(which is the technical term defined in the RM).  It's common, though
incorrect, to say that a piece of code is "erroneous".  (I *think*
this is partly the fault of imprecision in the Ada 83 RM, but I don't
have a copy handy.)

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst@cts.com  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
San Diego Supercomputer Center           <*>  <http://www.sdsc.edu/~kst>
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  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-21 10:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-15 11:25 gnat: time-slicing Jan Prazak
2002-07-15  8:44 ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-07-15 19:10   ` Jan Prazak
2002-07-15 17:16     ` David C. Hoos
2002-07-15 23:30       ` Jan Prazak
2002-07-16  0:54         ` Jan Prazak
2002-07-16 10:46         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2002-07-16 11:57           ` Aaro Koskinen
2002-07-16 12:57           ` SteveD
2002-07-16 15:18           ` Florian Weimer
2002-07-16 13:29     ` Marin David Condic
2002-07-17 19:29       ` Jan Prazak
2002-07-15 13:07 ` time-slicing David C. Hoos
2002-07-15 14:56   ` time-slicing Ian Broster
2002-07-15 19:10   ` time-slicing Jan Prazak
2002-07-15 19:10   ` time-slicing Jan Prazak
2002-07-15 19:05     ` time-slicing Anders Gidenstam
2002-07-15 23:30       ` time-slicing Jan Prazak
2002-07-15 20:33         ` time-slicing Darren New
2002-07-16 16:30         ` time-slicing Pascal Obry
2002-07-16 23:05           ` time-slicing Jan Prazak
2002-07-16 21:33     ` time-slicing Robert Dewar
2002-07-15 21:03 ` gnat: time-slicing tmoran
2002-07-16 13:04   ` Jan Prazak
2002-07-16 21:29 ` Robert Dewar
2002-07-17 19:29   ` Jan Prazak
2002-07-17 16:44     ` Pascal Obry
2002-07-17 21:38       ` Jan Prazak
2002-07-17 19:21         ` Randy Brukardt
2002-07-17 22:44           ` Jan Prazak
2002-07-17 19:57             ` Marin David Condic
2002-07-18 18:38               ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-07-20 11:52                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-07-17 19:43         ` Pascal Obry
2002-07-18 18:55           ` Jan Prazak
2002-07-18 17:01             ` Pascal Obry
2002-07-18 17:03             ` Pascal Obry
2002-07-18 22:38         ` chris.danx
2002-07-18  2:50     ` R. Tim Coslet
2002-07-18 12:54       ` SteveD
2002-07-20 11:56       ` Robert Dewar
2002-07-18 12:02     ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-07-19  2:33 ` Robert A Duff
2002-07-19 13:32   ` Jan Prazak
2002-07-19 23:46   ` Keith Thompson
2002-07-20  0:36     ` Robert A Duff
2002-07-20  4:25       ` Darren New
2002-07-20 11:47     ` Robert Dewar
2002-07-21 10:58       ` Keith Thompson [this message]
2002-07-31 22:28       ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-01 19:28   ` Erroneous execution? (was Re: gnat: time-slicing) Ben Brosgol
2002-08-01 22:03     ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-02  3:59       ` Ben Brosgol
2002-08-13 22:30         ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-02  4:17       ` Robert Dewar
2002-07-19  3:17 ` time-slicing SteveD
2002-07-19 13:32   ` time-slicing Jan Prazak
2002-07-19 12:41     ` time-slicing SteveD
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-18  4:44 gnat: time-slicing Grein, Christoph
2002-07-18 18:55 ` Jan Prazak
2002-07-18 16:35   ` Sergey Koshcheyev
2002-07-19  1:37   ` Robert A Duff
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