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From: Gary Scott <garylscott@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Current status of Ada?
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 12:02:13 -0500
Date: 2007-09-01T12:02:13-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yWgCi.852$4J3.839@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <pu3axz17bt.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de>

Markus E L wrote:

> Adam Beneschan wrote:
> 
> 
>>On Aug 31, 7:25 am, <adawo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I used to do a lot of training and consulting for Lockheed and CSC related
>>>to the Aegis project.   Soon after the Paige memo, Lockheed dictated that
>>>the software for Aegis would be written in C++ instead of Ada.  Almost all
>>>training in Ada stopped, and the programmers were given intensive training
>>>in C++.   I told everyone that it was a big mistake, but my advice was of
>>>little interest to those who were already biased toward C++.   The answer
>>>was, "We can find C++ programmers right out of university CS programs,
>>>but no one teaches Ada in CS."
>>
>>Sigh...  My initial reaction to this is that this thinking is just
>>totally wrong-headed, and for reasons having nothing to do with the
>>languages involved.  I frankly wouldn't expect good results from
>>*anyone* who can program in language X because it's what they learned
>>in college but couldn't pick up language Y; to me, I wouldn't trust
>>someone like that to have a real understanding of "software" or
>>"programming", and because of that I wouldn't expect them to write
>>good software no matter how good language X is, even if it were Ada.
>>Ada is not a good enough language to make up for a fundamental lack of
>>software engineering understanding.
>>
>>But I could be way off base.
> 
> 
> No. This was approximately my reaction when I read "can find C++
> programmers right out of university".

But part of the issue has been unhappiness of the programmers 
themselves.  When told that they would have to program in Ada, the C 
programmers were turning down job offers.  Not because they couldn't 
pick up Ada, but because they wanted to keep their C skills polished in 
case they found a better position elsewhere.  You do get rusty from 
non-use, and you fall behind the latest standards over time.


> 
> Regards -- Markus
> 


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  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-01 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-21 19:56 Current status of Ada? Steve Marotta
2007-08-21 22:03 ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-08-21 22:29 ` Randy Brukardt
2007-08-22  0:15   ` Jeffrey Creem
2007-08-22  0:53     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-08-23  6:25       ` Harald Korneliussen
2007-08-23  8:13         ` Markus E L
2007-08-23  9:53         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-23 10:26           ` Harald Korneliussen
2007-08-24  4:31         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2007-08-26 17:51         ` adaworks
2007-08-26 18:46           ` Ed Falis
2007-08-26 20:55           ` Gary Scott
2007-08-28  6:26             ` adaworks
2007-08-28 18:09               ` tmoran
2007-08-29  5:31                 ` adaworks
2007-08-29 11:09                   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-29 14:27                   ` Ed Falis
2007-08-29 15:43                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2007-08-29 20:37                       ` Ed Falis
2007-08-29 21:49                         ` Gautier
2007-08-31 14:25                         ` adaworks
2007-08-31 17:18                           ` Adam Beneschan
2007-08-31 19:46                             ` Ed Falis
2007-09-01  1:51                             ` Markus E L
2007-09-01 17:02                               ` Gary Scott [this message]
2007-09-02 19:04                                 ` adaworks
2007-09-02 20:03                                   ` Gary Scott
2007-09-03 11:06                                     ` Peter C. Chapin
2007-09-03 12:35                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-03 16:38                                         ` Gary Scott
2007-09-03 16:36                                       ` Gary Scott
2007-09-02 20:05                                   ` Ed Falis
2007-09-02 21:29                                     ` roderick.chapman
2007-09-03  1:18                                       ` Gary Scott
2007-09-03  6:14                                 ` anon
2007-09-03  7:10                                   ` Pascal Obry
2007-09-03 16:18                                     ` Gary Scott
2007-09-03 16:44                                       ` Pascal Obry
2007-09-03 18:39                                         ` Gary Scott
2007-09-03 19:27                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-09-03 16:12                                   ` Gary Scott
2007-09-04  7:07                             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2007-08-31 19:45                           ` Ed Falis
2007-08-28  7:58           ` roderick.chapman
2007-08-28 11:46             ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-08-28 11:57               ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-09-12 14:50               ` Gerd
2007-08-29  5:23             ` adaworks
2007-08-29 21:44           ` Gautier
2007-09-17  6:35           ` lou
2007-09-17  9:15             ` Adrian Hoe
2007-09-17  9:27               ` Adrian Hoe
2007-09-17 15:42             ` Ludovic Brenta
2007-09-17 17:58               ` Tomek Wa kuski
2007-09-17 19:53                 ` Wiktor Moskwa
2007-09-18  7:55                   ` Tomek Wa kuski
2007-09-18  8:26                   ` Adrian Hoe
2007-09-18 16:56                     ` Wiktor Moskwa
2007-09-17 20:43                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-09-18  4:51             ` Randy Brukardt
2007-09-18 16:16             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-22  8:44     ` Maciej Sobczak
2007-08-22 12:15       ` Jeffrey Creem
2007-08-22 13:39         ` Larry Kilgallen
2007-08-22 15:33       ` Steve Marotta
2007-08-22 16:36         ` Markus E L
2007-08-29  5:42 ` anon
2007-08-29  7:22   ` Georg Bauhaus
2007-08-29  9:23     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2007-08-29 11:26   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-29 12:14     ` Markus E L
2007-08-30  6:40     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2007-08-31  0:48       ` Gary Scott
2007-08-30  8:01     ` anon
2007-08-30  9:41       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-30 10:23         ` Markus E L
2007-08-31  9:58           ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-31 13:27             ` Markus E L
2007-08-31  9:54         ` anon
2007-08-31 11:54           ` Colin Paul Gloster
2007-08-31 13:31             ` Markus E L
2007-08-31 22:32             ` anon
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