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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Build language with weak typing, then add scaffolding later to strengthen it?
Date: Tue, 26 May 2015 16:21:33 +0200
Date: 2015-05-26T16:21:33+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xxasfl3vuo1z.1b7q77s7tw3tz$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mk1svk$10h$1@dont-email.me

On Tue, 26 May 2015 15:39:06 +0200, J-P. Rosen wrote:

> You want user defined integer
> types, and no magic for IOs? Then you'll need packages

Yes, but unrelated to user-defined types. Packages are for modularity and
separate compilation. Wirth's languages are notably weak in that respect.

> and generics.

No. Classes can be obtained without generics. It is static vs. dynamic
polymorphism.

> Safe IOs also require exceptions. And you certainly want aggregates,
> because they are sooo convenient.

Aggregates could be primitive subprograms. The syntax sugar of aggregates
could be made open for user definitions.

> The only things that could be detached are tasking and OOP.

None of them could, and Ada's unsuccessful attempts perfectly illustrate
that.

> Of course
> not having the latter would be highly politically incorrect,

It has nothing to do with PC in any sense. If the language should support
generic programming, there is no alternative to run-time classes. Generics
are not a substitute because they do not prove named typed class-wide
objects. They are simply untyped.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de


  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-26 14:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-21 19:11 Build language with weak typing, then add scaffolding later to strengthen it? Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-21 19:29 ` AdaMagica
2015-05-22  7:27   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-22  7:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-22  8:54   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-22 11:29 ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 12:57   ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-22 14:01     ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 14:34       ` kalvin.news
2015-05-23 11:09         ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-22 15:37       ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-22 16:29         ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 17:39           ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-22 17:51             ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 19:41               ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-22 20:04                 ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 20:32                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-22 21:22                     ` kalvin.news
2015-05-23 11:14                     ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-23 12:42                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-23 17:48                         ` Simon Wright
2015-05-25  8:34                           ` Pascal Obry
2015-05-25 10:22                             ` Simon Wright
2015-05-25 18:12                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-22 20:39                   ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-28 22:33                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29  6:56                       ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-23 12:40                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-25  7:14                     ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-25 12:26                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-25 18:44                       ` Shark8
2015-05-25 19:54                         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-25 21:25                           ` Shark8
2015-05-26  7:46                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-26  8:12                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-25 20:01                         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-25 20:04                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-25 20:37                             ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-26  7:52                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-05-26 11:43                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-26 15:38                                   ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-28 23:39                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29  8:51                                     ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-05-29 18:04                                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-29 21:51                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-30 10:28                                         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-30 11:12                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-30 13:21                                             ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-30 15:00                                               ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-30 18:40                                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-30 16:40                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-30 20:52                                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-31  8:31                                                   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-31  8:52                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-04 15:31                                                     ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-06-04 17:23                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-04 20:14                                                         ` Shark8
2015-06-04 23:12                                                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-06-01 21:36                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-06-04 15:22                                                   ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-27 13:41                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-25 23:05                             ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-26  8:01                               ` Sylvain Laperche
2015-05-26  8:20                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-26  8:49                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-26 12:36                                   ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-26 13:39                                     ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-26 14:21                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2015-05-26 16:19                                       ` Shark8
2015-05-26 20:51                                         ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-26 17:11                                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-28 23:49                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29 21:54                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29 22:32                                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-26  8:17                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-28 22:46                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-28 23:18                         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-29 21:27                           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29  7:55                         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29  9:27                           ` Simon Wright
2015-05-29 10:23                             ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29 12:01                               ` G.B.
2015-05-29 13:43                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29 15:32                             ` Simon Wright
2015-05-29 15:57                               ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29  9:31                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-05-29 10:37                           ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29 10:56                           ` Björn Lundin
2015-05-29 12:03                             ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-29 21:00                               ` Shark8
2015-05-29 20:57                           ` Shark8
2015-05-29 21:36                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-06-01 22:20                               ` Shark8
2015-05-29 21:45                           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29 23:12                             ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-30  9:10                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-23 13:01                 ` Luke A. Guest
2015-05-22 17:57             ` Simon Wright
2015-05-22 18:31               ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 14:03     ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 15:21       ` David Botton
2015-05-22 15:23         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 15:31       ` Bob Duff
2015-05-22 15:48         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 14:25     ` G.B.
2015-05-22 15:04     ` Bill White
2015-05-22 15:28     ` Bob Duff
2015-05-22 17:46       ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-22 18:16         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 19:01           ` Simon Wright
2015-05-22 19:41             ` jan.de.kruyf
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