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From: Eric The Read <emschwar@rmi.net>
Subject: Re: Long names are doom ?
Date: 07 Jun 2001 17:06:50 -0600
Date: 2001-06-07T17:06:50-06:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xkfzobjj3ed.fsf@valdemar.cos.agilent.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 9fotpi$4k6$1@nh.pace.co.uk

"Marin David Condic" <marin.condic.auntie.spam@pacemicro.com> writes:
> When I was in kindergarden, the teacher gave us these sage words of advice:
> "Hot things burn. Sharp things cut." You *expect* coffee to be hot - that's
> the point. If it was cold, you would complain. Through your own
> carelessness, a thing expected to be what it is is actually what it is and
> it does you harm. That is the fault of McDonalds?

I don't know why I expect computer professionals to be more informed
about this sort of thing than the average person (more web-literacy,
maybe?  I don't know...) but you might wish to educate yourself a bit
more on the actual facts of the case.

* McDonald's had paid more than 700 claims of exactly that type at the
  point Ms. Leibeck sued them.  They knew the nature and severity of the
  injuries their coffee had caused.

* Ms Leibeck suffered full-thickness (or third-degree) burns over 6
  percent of her body, and was hospitalized for 8 days, undergoing
  (rather painful, I might editorialize here) skin grafts and debridement 
  treatments.

* McDonald's served their coffee 40 to 50 degrees Fahrenheit hotter than
  the industry norm.  The consultant who advocated this to them admitted
  he'd never done any safety analysis of that temperature.

* McDonald's QA manager admitted that company policy required coffee to
  be served at 185 degrees, +/- 5 degrees, and that burning hazards
  existed at temperatures above 140.  He further testified that
  McDonald's knew there was a risk of burns, but wasn't going to do
  anything about it.

* At the temperatures the coffee was served, a full thickness burn of
  human skin will only take about 2 to 7 seconds.  If it had been served
  even at 155 degrees, likely Ms. Liebeck would not have been seriously
  injured.  (A survey of Alberquerque McDonalds' afterward found coffee
  served at an average of 158 degrees.)

* The car Liebeck was in was stopped when she spilled the coffee, and she 
  was not in the driver's seat.

* Leibeck originally sued for only $20,000, roughly her hospital costs.
  The jury awarded her $160k, plus $2.7M for punitive damages, which
  latter award the judge later reduced to a mere $480k (three times
  compensatory damages).

Source: <URL:http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm>

> OTOH, One *expects*
> software to work just like one expects their car to work or their TV to
> work. (O.K. We all know better, but why do we stand for it?) When it doesn't
> do what it is expected to do, we let the manufacturer off the hook - even
> when there are proven methods for making software more reliable and they are
> not followed?

That's the real problem, and the main obstacle, I think, is that nobody
has seriously tried to sue a software manufacturer for providing useless, 
buggy, crap.  At least, not that I'm aware of (corrections welcome).
Until we see consumers start caring about quality, feature creep will win 
the day, I fear.

Followups set to 'poster' for OT content; if you want to reply to the
last para, feel free.

-=Eric
-- 
The hardest thing in the world to understand is the income tax.
		-- Albert Einstein



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2001-05-25  2:02 Long names are doom ? 00001111
2001-05-25  2:25 ` Chris Smith
2001-05-25  3:37   ` Jan Schaumann
2001-05-25  5:18     ` (null)
2001-05-25  6:12       ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-05-25 11:41     ` Charles Demas
2001-05-25  2:55 ` Larry Elmore
2001-05-25  3:21 ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-05-25  3:24   ` Roedy Green
2001-05-25  6:19   ` Jim Monty
2001-05-25  7:32     ` Jon Skeet
2001-05-25 12:23     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-06 10:40     ` John
2001-06-08  3:24       ` Larry Elmore
2001-05-25 15:46   ` Everett M. Greene
2001-05-26 22:25   ` AG
2001-05-27 16:52     ` Shankar Unni
2001-05-27 19:02       ` Gary Scott
2001-05-27 19:36         ` Jon Skeet
2001-05-27 21:36           ` Gary Scott
2001-05-28  3:22         ` Roedy Green
2001-05-29 21:17     ` Wes Groleau
2001-05-30 12:04       ` Chris Smith
2001-06-01 11:39         ` Alvaro Segura
2001-06-01 13:50           ` Rev. Bob 'Bob' Crispen
2001-06-01 14:20             ` Marco Schmidt
2001-06-01 14:22             ` Choosing proper object names (was: Long names are doom ?) Ted Dennison
2001-06-04 16:32               ` Ray Blaak
2001-06-01 15:09             ` Long names are doom ? Marin David Condic
2001-06-01 18:54               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-01 19:38                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-01 21:08                   ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-02  5:29                     ` AG
2001-06-05 19:27                       ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-05 22:22                         ` Chris Uzdavinis
2001-06-06  0:13                           ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-06  9:33                             ` John English
2001-06-08  3:26                               ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08 17:48                                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-08 22:47                                   ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-09  2:30                                     ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-06-09  2:08                                   ` Adam Beneschan
2001-06-08 13:20                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 13:38                                 ` John English
2001-06-08 17:07                                   ` Chris Uzdavinis
2001-06-08 13:16                         ` James Kanze
2001-06-02  5:51                     ` Simon Wright
2001-06-04 15:05                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-04 15:46                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-04 22:26                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05 11:42                           ` John English
2001-06-05 13:25                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-05 20:59                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05 21:15                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-06 13:25                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-06 13:44                               ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-06 14:12                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06 21:01                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-06 22:16                                   ` Gary Scott
2001-06-07  2:32                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 13:27                                 ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 14:37                                   ` Gary Scott
2001-06-13 12:31                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-05 19:44                           ` Dirk Bosmans
2001-06-05 21:47                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 13:29                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-13 12:33                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 20:38                                   ` Roedy Green
2001-06-14  0:00                                     ` Jerry Petrey
2001-06-14 13:03                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 19:23                                       ` Conrad Schneiker
2001-06-05  0:40                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05  1:53                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05  1:55                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05  9:17                             ` Blaikie
2001-06-05 17:24                             ` Gary Scott
2001-06-05  3:27                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05  7:13                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05  9:20                               ` Blaikie
2001-06-05  9:35                                 ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05  9:40                                   ` Blaikie
2001-06-05  9:57                                     ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 10:29                                       ` Blaikie
2001-06-05 13:46                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-05 11:44                               ` John English
2001-06-05 14:28                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 15:56                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 15:58                             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 17:03                               ` Jon Skeet
     [not found]                             ` <q81pht43ib89sjop0Organization <+FWVg+noA0yk@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-05 20:27                               ` Steve Bellenot
2001-06-05 21:55                                 ` Blaikie
2001-06-06  6:37                                   ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-06  8:18                                     ` Blaikie
2001-06-06  8:31                                       ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-06  8:58                                         ` Blaikie
2001-06-06 21:05                                       ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07 10:16                                         ` Jonathan Revusky
2001-06-08 14:06                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 14:01                                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-05  3:32                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05  4:13                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 19:59                         ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-05 20:47                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 23:08                             ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-06  9:14                               ` John English
2001-06-06 13:30                                 ` Creative? (was: Long names ....) Wes Groleau
2001-06-06 21:08                                 ` Long names are doom ? Pete Thompson
2001-06-06 11:30                               ` David Gillon
2001-06-06 15:26                                 ` Gary Scott
2001-06-06 21:17                                   ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07  8:10                                   ` John English
2001-06-07 21:58                                     ` Commenting code Roedy Green
2001-06-07 22:07                                       ` Jane Williams
2001-06-08  3:37                                         ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08 13:27                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 23:25                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-07 23:17                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 14:17                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-08  1:44                                       ` John English
2001-06-08  2:00                                         ` John English
2001-06-08  3:10                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08  5:56                                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 11:50                                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-08 13:45                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 14:24                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 18:57                                             ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-11 10:38                                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-11 17:41                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-13 12:44                                                 ` Alvaro Segura
2001-06-13 13:46                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 15:20                                                     ` Bill
2001-06-13 15:35                                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15 15:37                                                         ` John English
2001-06-15 19:59                                                           ` Karl Schmidt
2001-06-15  9:06                                                   ` tt
2001-06-08 15:42                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-11 10:41                                           ` James Kanze
2001-06-11 13:18                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-12  8:36                                               ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 18:47                                         ` Off-Topic "football" Wes Groleau
2001-06-08 13:42                                       ` Commenting code Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 15:22                                         ` Donald L. Dobbs
2001-06-11 21:30                                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-11 21:53                                             ` Commenting code (a plea) Dave Thomas
2001-06-13 12:03                                           ` Commenting code Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 18:13                                             ` Donald L. Dobbs
2001-06-14 12:43                                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 16:22                                                 ` Donald L. Dobbs
2001-06-14 19:20                                                   ` Conrad Schneiker
2001-06-14 21:43                                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-14 22:48                                                       ` Michael Mauch
2001-06-15 16:36                                                       ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-17  2:09                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08 16:18                                       ` Ray Blaak
2001-06-08 16:45                                         ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-09  0:37                                           ` Ray Blaak
2001-06-08 23:18                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-06 21:19                                 ` Long names are doom ? Pete Thompson
2001-06-07 11:39                                   ` David Gillon
2001-06-07  2:46                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-06 15:25                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06 22:53                                 ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-07 11:36                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 22:01                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07 22:20                                       ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-08 14:20                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 13:58                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-07 16:22                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 18:14                                     ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-07 18:59                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-07 20:30                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-07 19:46                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 20:20                                           ` Benjamin.Altman
2001-06-07 21:52                                             ` Blaikie
2001-06-07 22:35                                               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-07 22:04                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 23:06                                               ` Eric The Read [this message]
2001-06-08 13:43                                                 ` Off Topic: Hot Coffee (was Re: Long names are doom ?) Marin David Condic
2001-06-11 20:51                                                   ` Re(ally): " Paul Graham
2001-06-12 19:43                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-07 23:14                                               ` Long names are doom ? Dan Mercer
2001-06-08  0:08                                               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-09  6:10                                               ` Dale King
2001-06-11 16:28                                                 ` software suits, was " tmoran
2001-06-11 19:13                                                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-11 18:47                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-12  5:31                                                       ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-12 13:40                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-12 13:34                                                       ` Dale King
2001-06-12 20:23                                                         ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-12 21:28                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13  8:18                                                             ` James Kanze
2001-06-13 14:26                                                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 15:14                                                             ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-13 16:30                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-15  5:05                                                             ` Dale King
2001-06-12 21:09                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13  1:38                                                         ` software lawsuits Roedy Green
2001-06-13  2:29                                                           ` Otis Bricker
2001-06-12 13:20                                                   ` software suits, was Re: Long names are doom ? Dale King
2001-06-13  8:28                                                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-15  5:09                                                       ` Dale King
2001-06-12  8:42                                                 ` James Kanze
2001-06-12 14:12                                                   ` Shrink-wrap licenses (was: Long names are doom ?) Ted Dennison
2001-06-12 15:01                                                   ` Long names are doom ? Dan Mercer
2001-06-12 17:16                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-12 21:21                                                       ` Dan Mercer
2001-06-12 22:07                                                         ` Off Topic: Legal Issues In Software - was " Marin David Condic
2001-06-13  3:54                                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-13 11:14                                                           ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-13 11:35                                                           ` Software Licensing (was: Long names are doom) Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-13 13:48                                                           ` Long names are doom ? Marin David Condic
2001-06-13 14:57                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 16:22                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-13 19:48                                                                 ` Market pressures for more reliable software Roedy Green
2001-06-13 20:42                                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 21:27                                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14  5:09                                                                       ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-14 14:15                                                                         ` Ada Developer's Cooperative License (was) " Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 18:51                                                                           ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-14 21:09                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-15  3:56                                                                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-15 13:55                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-21  7:11                                                                             ` Colin Paul Gloster
2001-06-22 15:32                                                                               ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-14 14:19                                                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 14:53                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 15:55                                                                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15 15:21                                                                           ` Gautier
2001-06-15 15:36                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 16:26                                                                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-14 15:30                                                                         ` Ed Jensen
2001-06-14 16:11                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-14 17:32                                                                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 17:55                                                                               ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-14 20:10                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 23:48                                                                                   ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-14 20:09                                                                               ` Roedy Green
2001-06-14 21:43                                                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-16  2:41                                                                                   ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 23:08                                                                                     ` Joseph T. Adams
2001-06-18 14:23                                                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-15  3:44                                                                                 ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-18 16:53                                                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2001-08-07  1:08                                                                                 ` The Ghost In The Machine
2001-08-07  2:38                                                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-08-13 14:14                                                                                     ` The Ghost In The Machine
2001-06-15  6:59                                                                               ` Joseph T. Adams
2001-06-15 15:43                                                                               ` Ed Jensen
2001-06-16  2:45                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16  2:45                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 14:25                                                                                   ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-16 17:48                                                                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-16 19:16                                                                                       ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-18 14:49                                                                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 15:46                                                                                     ` Al Christians
2001-06-18 16:16                                                                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 17:09                                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 18:02                                                                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-18 18:04                                                                                         ` Al Christians
2001-06-18 20:06                                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 21:43                                                                                         ` tmoran
2001-06-18 21:29                                                                                       ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-18 22:23                                                                                         ` Al Christians
2001-06-20 15:49                                                                                           ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-19 12:18                                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-16 22:30                                                                               ` Florian Weimer
2001-06-14 17:56                                                                         ` David Chase
2001-06-16 14:22                                                                         ` James A. Robertson
2001-06-16 23:23                                                                           ` Al Christians
2001-06-17  1:38                                                                             ` tmoran
2001-06-18 13:59                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-18 13:49                                                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-19 12:09                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-19 14:23                                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-20  4:33                                                                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-20 15:55                                                                                 ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-20 16:55                                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-20 23:55                                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-20 18:38                                                                                 ` Roedy Green
     [not found]                                                                         ` <tM4W6.14397$Dd5.34 <3B28FAD5.5FFB643F@world.std.com>
2001-06-17  2:38                                                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 22:42                                                                     ` tmoran
2001-06-13 22:44                                                                   ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-14 16:57                                                                     ` Charles Hixson
2001-06-14 13:09                                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 14:28                                                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-14 20:25                                                                     ` Roedy Green
2001-06-17  2:43                                                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 22:02                                                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-14 14:47                                                                 ` Long names are doom ? Wes Groleau
2001-06-21  1:41                                                                 ` Market pressures for more reliable software Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-21  1:38                                                             ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                                             ` <kbLV6.6795$pb1.259296@www.nOrganization: LJK Software <aPN5ieyHFSfT@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-21 14:20                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-24 22:31                                                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-25  0:01                                                                 ` Ken Garlington
2001-06-25 12:50                                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-06-26 11:52                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-27  9:41                                                                       ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-27 21:09                                                                         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28  0:31                                                                           ` tmoran
2001-06-28 11:45                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-25  8:09                                                                 ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-25 14:13                                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-25 15:35                                                                     ` David C. Hoos
2001-06-25 16:50                                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-25 17:08                                                                       ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-25 21:32                                                                         ` Al Christians
2001-07-02  4:49                                                                         ` David Thompson
2001-06-26 12:02                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-26 12:48                                                                       ` David C. Hoos
2001-06-26 14:08                                                                       ` Al Christians
2001-06-26 15:00                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-26 15:41                                                                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-27  3:33                                                                           ` Robert C. Leif, Ph.D.
2001-06-27 13:31                                                                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-26 17:39                                                                         ` tmoran
2001-06-26 16:26                                                                       ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28 11:50                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-28 21:32                                                                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-28 12:20                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-01  0:50                                                                       ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-02 11:41                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-03  6:43                                                                           ` Lao Xiao Hai
2001-07-04 14:40                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-04 21:00                                                                               ` Phil Robyn
2001-07-05 11:12                                                                                 ` Gary Labowitz
2001-07-05 17:00                                                                                   ` Phil Robyn
2001-07-05 11:10                                                                               ` Gary Labowitz
2001-07-05 13:27                                                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-07-06  2:47                                                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-06 23:24                                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-07 17:45                                                                                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-08  2:54                                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]                                                                                         ` <3B47CB75.234C0543@acm.or g>
2001-07-16  0:56                                                                                           ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-16 12:03                                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-16 17:37                                                                                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-17  0:18                                                                                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-20 15:48                                                                                                   ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-22 15:37                                                                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-23  2:44                                                                                                       ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-23 10:09                                                                                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-23 11:35                                                                                                           ` [OT] " Ken Garlington
2001-07-24  0:56                                                                                                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-24 12:02                                                                                                               ` Ken Garlington
2001-07-06 23:15                                                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-07-06 23:11                                                                                 ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 15:22                                                         ` Long names are doom ? Wes Groleau
2001-06-14 12:51                                                       ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-14 13:49                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-17  2:28                                                           ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13  8:39                                                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-13  9:51                                                       ` Blaikie
2001-06-13 15:41                                                         ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-13 17:35                                                           ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-13 20:19                                                           ` Roedy Green
2001-06-13 22:04                                                             ` Software Lawsuits (was: LOng names are doom ?) Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-14 13:56                                                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-15 15:50                                                             ` Long names are doom ? John English
2001-06-14 12:53                                                     ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-08  3:54                                           ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08  4:50                                             ` Gary Labowitz
2001-06-12 22:57                                               ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08  5:59                                             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 17:06                                               ` Eric The Read
2001-06-08 23:20                                                 ` Roedy Green
2001-06-08 22:55                                               ` Larry Elmore
2001-06-08 13:52                                             ` Off Topic: Stupid Bureaucrats (was Re: Long names are doom ?) Marin David Condic
2001-06-08 14:45                                               ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-08 16:51                                                 ` Earl R Coker
2001-06-09  1:23                                                 ` Blaikie
2001-06-08 16:26                                               ` Chris Smith
2001-06-08 16:41                                                 ` Long Threads are doom? " Benjamin.Altman
2001-06-08 23:57                                                 ` Off Topic: Stupid Bureaucrats " Roedy Green
2001-06-08 23:52                                               ` mismatch between actual threat and perceived threat Roedy Green
2001-06-11 13:25                                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-11 17:46                                                   ` Roedy Green
     [not found]                                               ` <vcn2itcjoscsqfppcmrabm2441uuvblfoa@4ax.c <wF3V6.3766$pb1.137507@www.newsranger.com>
2001-06-11 13:46                                                 ` mismatch between actual relevant newsgroups and perceived relevant newsgroups Kenny McCormack
2001-06-17  0:34                                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-11 13:54                                               ` Off Topic: Stupid Bureaucrats (was Re: Long names are doom ?) Leif Roar Moldskred
2001-06-07 19:44                                     ` Long names are doom ? tmoran
2001-06-07 17:37                                   ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-08 14:31                                   ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 18:19                                     ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-09  1:15                                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-11 10:52                                         ` James Kanze
2001-06-13 12:37                                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-09  3:51                                     ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-06-11 10:56                                       ` James Kanze
2001-06-09 12:06                                 ` Memory Allocation without pointer arithmetic ? (was: Long names...) Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization: LJK Software <9BiaJoj4VeFk@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-09 12:34                                   ` Patricia Shanahan
2001-06-10  6:56                                   ` Mark Yudkin
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization <9BiaJoj4VeFk@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-09 14:58                                   ` Kenny McCormack
2001-06-09 21:46                                     ` Jane Williams
2001-06-10 14:04                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-10 14:15                                 ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization <$l53AZgRoQvs@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-10 14:17                                   ` Kenny McCormack
     [not found]                                 ` <vj7tht0jkrkoivki4lsadlivgghdr0Organization: LJK Software <uR1t+dk$wTpD@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-10 18:24                                   ` Chris Smith
2001-06-06 21:10                               ` Long names are doom ? Roedy Green
2001-06-07  2:20                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 18:27                                 ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-08 14:12                                   ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     [not found]                         ` <pb2ohtgs64jhssmmohpq5qr7nmcsq6119c@4a <Bh0r7ajFbl7x@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2001-06-05 20:35                           ` Simon Wright
2001-06-05 19:56                       ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-05 20:46                         ` Simon Wright
2001-06-07  2:11                         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-07 15:34                           ` Dale King
2001-06-08  4:38                             ` Donald L. Dobbs
     [not found]                               ` <GELwCw.K0r@approve.se>
2001-06-09  9:23                                 ` AG
     [not found]                                   ` <GEnxK3.3n8@approve.se>
2001-06-09 21:01                                     ` AG
2001-06-13 12:23                               ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-13 12:17                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-15 15:53                               ` John English
2001-06-07 18:26                           ` Pete Thompson
2001-06-08 14:09                             ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-17 12:41                           ` HarryO
2001-06-05 11:24                     ` John English
2001-06-05 13:53                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-05 14:10                         ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 16:02                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-08 14:47                         ` James Kanze
2001-06-08 17:43                           ` tmoran
2001-06-10  1:26                             ` AG
2001-06-05 12:53                     ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-05 14:29                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-05 14:52                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 16:05                         ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-05 16:41                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06  4:28                             ` Dale King
2001-06-06  9:07                             ` Philip Anderson
2001-06-06  9:21                             ` John English
2001-06-06 13:46                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-06-06 15:29                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-06 11:37                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 19:52                         ` Matthew Woodcraft
2001-06-07 10:26                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-06-07 16:07                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-08  9:45                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-06-08 14:52                             ` James Kanze
     [not found]                           ` <9fo8sb$qrc$1@n <3B20E6C9.562E8BE6@dresdner-bank.com>
2001-06-09  6:00                             ` Simon Wright
2001-06-05 16:04                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-05 14:26                 ` James Kanze
2001-06-05 14:45                   ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-08 14:55                     ` James Kanze
2001-06-01 20:32               ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-02  4:27               ` AG
2001-06-01 17:33             ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-02  6:19               ` Simon Wright
2001-06-04 14:22                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-01 18:48             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-02 20:28               ` Edward Rosten
2001-06-05 14:23             ` James Kanze
2001-06-01 14:18           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-06-01 15:35           ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-01 15:41             ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-01 20:44               ` Wes Groleau
2001-06-02 17:31                 ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 11:52                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-06-05 12:13                     ` Jon Skeet
2001-06-05 11:52         ` John English
2001-05-30 14:14       ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-30 20:50         ` Roedy Green
2001-06-04  0:37         ` Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2001-06-04 14:41           ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-04 22:33             ` Roedy Green
2001-06-05 14:40               ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-05 14:49             ` James Kanze
2001-05-25  5:42 ` Steve Bellenot
2001-05-25 11:39   ` Peter Fitzgibbons
2001-05-25 13:34   ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-25 19:31     ` Roedy Green
2001-05-25 20:23       ` Larry Hazel
2001-05-26  0:39       ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-05-29  9:41       ` John English
2001-05-29 19:32         ` Roedy Green
2001-05-29 20:35           ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-29 14:55       ` Marin David Condic
2001-06-09  9:15         ` Kent Dahl
2001-05-29 21:25       ` Wes Groleau
2001-05-25  5:46 ` tmoran
2001-05-25  6:12 ` Patrick Logan
2001-05-25 11:25 ` Florian Weimer
2001-05-25 12:11 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-05-25 13:17 ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-25 17:35 ` tmoran
2001-05-25 19:17   ` Marin David Condic
2001-05-25 21:23   ` Jon Skeet
2001-05-26 21:28 ` Tom Spilman
2001-05-27 13:53   ` Gary Scott
2001-06-01 23:11 ` 00001111
2001-06-07 11:33 ` Phil K
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-26  1:27 robin
2001-05-26  1:29 robin
2001-05-26  1:56 ` Jonas Lindstr�m
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