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From: tfb@conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Thomas F. Burdick)
Subject: Re: True faiths ( was Re: The true faith )
Date: 18 Jan 2002 18:46:29 -0800
Date: 2002-01-18T18:46:29-08:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xcvvgdzvz0a.fsf@conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3C489F84.663B98D0@nyc.rr.com

Kenny Tilton <ktilton@nyc.rr.com> writes:

> no, you only think you do. then your average programmer looks at the
> code for a week and before you can set up the first interview ms/mr
> average says "looks pretty straightforward to me, i can maintain this."
> 
> otoh, if mr/ms average gives up on the mess, the dearly departed most
> assuredly was not great nor even very good.

Hmm, for the slightly-below-average programmer, though, often they'll
*think* they can maintain something, but in doing so will fuck up all
over the place, break perfectly nice algorithms, change things to
ineffecient algorithms, etc., not because they *couldn't* have
followed the nicely-documented, cleverly written code, but because
they figured it would be easier to do things the "normal" way whenever
they had to change a part of a program.  Things can stepwise decline
into a mess in the hands of people who want everything to be done the
"normal" way.  The problem is that most programs are a mess, so
changing things to work the way everything else does is likely to make
it worse, if it was above-average to start with.

> early on in my career i heard a line that puzzled me until i saw OPC:
> "if you have an indispensible programmer, fire them."

I understand what this is supposed to mean, but what about the very
well-read, educated programmer who knows (or knows how to find) better
ways of doing lots of things than the normal, naive method/algorithm?
Such a programmer can be indiscpensible for things that can't be done
in the naive way (for efficiency or complexity reasons, or whatever).

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2002-01-11 23:46                       ` True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) israel r t
2002-01-12  0:38                         ` Steven T Abell
2002-01-13 12:20                           ` Kevin McFarlane
2002-01-13 18:52                             ` Erik Naggum
2002-01-14  8:12                               ` Espen Vestre
2002-01-14 10:40                                 ` israel r t
2002-01-16  6:42                                   ` Patrick Doyle
2002-01-16  8:00                                     ` israel r t
2002-01-16  8:55                                       ` Espen Vestre
2002-01-20  0:55                                         ` Mad Hamish
2002-01-20  1:18                                           ` Bruce Hoult
2002-02-13 16:31                                             ` Tom Hawker
2002-02-13 17:51                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-02-13 23:28                                               ` Peter Gummer
2002-02-14  3:10                                                 ` Greg C
2002-02-14  1:56                                               ` Hartmann Schaffer
2002-02-14  9:59                                               ` Barry Watson
2002-01-16  8:00                                     ` " Do computers because it pays well" ( was Re: True faiths ) israel r t
2002-01-14 11:00                               ` True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) Immanuel Litzroth
2002-01-18 15:19                                 ` Bob Bane
2002-01-18 17:44                                   ` René
2002-01-18 18:04                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-18 23:22                                     ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-18 23:53                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2002-01-20  5:39                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-20  5:59                                         ` Kaz Kylheku
2002-01-20 15:15                                           ` Software Scavenger
2002-01-21  1:42                                         ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-21  9:52                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-21 16:38                                             ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-21 20:30                                             ` Kaz Kylheku
2002-01-22  5:35                                             ` Raffael Cavallaro
2002-01-18 18:44                                   ` Simon Willcocks
2002-01-22 17:01                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-22 21:59                                       ` Bruce Hoult
2002-01-22 22:08                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-22 23:22                                           ` Kenny Tilton
2002-01-23 21:12                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-23 22:24                                               ` Tim Bradshaw
2002-01-24  0:15                                               ` Kenny Tilton
2002-01-24  8:14                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-24 16:50                                                   ` Canconical C++ assignment (was Re: True faiths ...) Ray Blaak
2002-01-23  2:26                                           ` True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) Bruce Hoult
2002-01-23 17:49                                             ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-22 22:09                                         ` Jim Rogers
2002-01-22 22:54                                           ` Kaz Kylheku
2002-01-22 23:47                                             ` Jim Rogers
2002-01-23  0:08                                               ` Ada SDL Eric Merritt
2002-01-23  1:39                                                 ` Rajat Datta
2002-01-23 10:52                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-01-23 13:59                                                   ` Eric Merritt
2002-01-23 16:48                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-01-23 16:01                                           ` True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) Greg C
2002-01-26  0:40                                           ` AG
2002-02-11  7:18                                             ` David Combs
2002-02-11 17:50                                               ` Ray Blaak
2002-02-11 20:13                                               ` Kaz Kylheku
2002-02-13 21:17                                               ` Tom Hawker
2002-01-23 17:45                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-01-18 19:36                                   ` Bruce Hoult
2002-01-18 19:57                                     ` Kaz Kylheku
2002-01-18 19:58                                     ` Marc Spitzer
2002-01-18 20:11                                       ` Ed Falis
2002-01-18 22:14                                         ` Kenny Tilton
2002-01-19  2:46                                           ` Thomas F. Burdick [this message]
2002-01-19  7:32                                     ` av1474
2002-02-13 23:12                                 ` Tom Hawker
2002-01-14 11:42                               ` Kevin McFarlane
2002-01-12  2:31                         ` Victor B. Putz
2002-01-12  3:56                         ` Kenny Tilton
2002-01-12  5:49                           ` israel r t
2002-01-12  6:04                             ` Thaddeus L Olczyk
2002-01-12  8:42                               ` Friedrich Dominicus
2002-01-12 15:44                             ` Andreas Bogk
2002-01-14 13:52                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-01-12 19:39                           ` Doug Hockin
2002-01-12 19:49                             ` Thaddeus L Olczyk
2002-01-12 20:14                             ` Kenny Tilton
2002-01-12 22:45                               ` Fernando Rodr�guez
2002-01-13  1:03                               ` Thomas F. Burdick
2002-01-13  5:24                                 ` Kenny Tilton
2002-01-12 15:58                         ` Preben Randhol
2002-01-12 16:18                           ` Nils Goesche
2002-01-12 17:03                             ` Thomas F. Burdick
2002-01-12 17:56                               ` Christopher Browne
2002-01-13  0:52                                 ` Thomas F. Burdick
2002-01-13 18:17                                   ` Nils Goesche
2002-01-13 19:04                                     ` Thomas F. Burdick
2002-01-13 19:26                                       ` James A. Robertson
2002-01-13 20:40                                         ` Nils Goesche
2002-01-13 20:43                                     ` Andreas Bogk
2002-01-13 19:05                             ` Preben Randhol
2002-01-13 19:20                               ` Preben Randhol
2002-01-16 12:00                           ` Christian Lynbech
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2002-01-13 15:23                         ` Patrick Doyle
2002-01-13 16:29                           ` Dr. Edmund Weitz
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2002-01-22 14:25                         ` Copying semantics molehill (was Re: True faiths) Patrick Doyle
2002-01-22 15:47                           ` Steven T Abell
2002-01-26 17:32                             ` Patrick Doyle
2002-01-22 18:00                           ` Kaz Kylheku
2002-01-26 17:37                             ` Patrick Doyle
2002-01-28  3:08                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-01-28 18:47                             ` Patrick Doyle
2002-01-23  1:43                       ` True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                       ` <9jtu3u8cq92b05j47uOrganization: LJK Software <FfppBdBcNxcL@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2002-01-23  2:04                         ` Jim Rogers
2002-01-23 17:02                           ` Darren New
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