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From: <adaworks@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Surprise in array concatenation
Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2005 16:17:33 GMT
Date: 2005-09-09T16:17:33+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <xAiUe.1459$zq6.111@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: B2_Te.5$oo1.2@dfw-service2.ext.ray.com


"Jeffrey Carter" <spam@spam.com> wrote in message
news:B2_Te.5$oo1.2@dfw-service2.ext.ray.com...
> adaworks@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> >
> > Enumerated types, as presently designed, are not extensible.  They
> > do no encapsulate their operations, and new operations, though
> > they can be added, do not bind in a way that conforms to conventional
> > OO design principles.
>
> So? Ada types should not be a consideration during design. Once your
> have your design, you decide how to implement it. If enumerated types
> are not suitable, don't use them.
>
It is not a matter of suitable or not.   Rather, it is a concern that enumerated
types can compromise a design unless one thinks carefully about their
long-term effects within that design.

> Your compiler implements your design in machine code, which has no
> extension mechanisms. Should that affect your design?
>
We typically do not extend instances.  Extensibility is at a different
level of abstraction.  Even if Ada were compiled to an intermediate
byte code, as is the case with Java, extensibility would stillbe at
the source code level on classes, not instances.

In reply to Dr. Rosen, you are correct in your observation that Ada
does not force a design paradigm on its users.   However, there is
a difference between being required to use a particular paradigm
and being able to use one's preferred paradigm.   When enumerated
types are extensible, one can choose OOP, or not.  Java, for
example, has a "final" option to make this choice feasible.

I certainly do not suggest using Java instead of Ada. Java falls short
of what we would want for reliable computing in large-scale
software systems, but we can learn from other languages, even
when those languages have inherent shortcomings.

Richard Riehle










  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-09-09 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-01  3:16 Surprise in array concatenation Gene
2005-09-01  7:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-01  8:02   ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-01 11:48     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-01 12:02       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2005-09-01 13:01         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-01 15:54       ` Florian Weimer
2005-09-01 16:09     ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-05  8:38       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-09-05 23:52         ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-06  9:03           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-09-07 17:57         ` adaworks
2005-09-07 20:01           ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-08  8:08             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-07 22:46           ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-08  4:43             ` Simon Wright
2005-09-08 10:36               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-08 13:47                 ` Ed Falis
2005-09-08 17:03                   ` Pascal Obry
2005-09-08 16:45               ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-08 19:37                 ` Simon Wright
2005-09-08  6:32             ` adaworks
2005-09-08  9:09               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-09-08 16:56               ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-09 14:04                 ` Bob Spooner
2005-09-09 16:17                 ` adaworks [this message]
2005-09-23 23:04               ` Randy Brukardt
2005-09-14  8:57           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2005-09-23 23:09           ` Randy Brukardt
2005-09-24 10:49             ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-24 20:27             ` Lurker
2005-09-25  0:20             ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-25 17:05             ` adaworks
2005-09-01 11:42   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-01 13:59     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-01 15:36       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-01 18:34         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-02 10:43           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-02 13:11             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-02 14:23               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-02 19:48                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-02 17:21           ` Björn Persson
2005-09-01 16:04   ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-01 18:06     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-02 10:42       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-02 13:20         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-02 14:14           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-02 19:48             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-03 20:01               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-04 10:13                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-05 13:22                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-05 15:50                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-05 18:20                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-05 18:31                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-06  8:20                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-06 11:52                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-06 13:46                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-06 15:51                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-06 21:32                                 ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-07  9:08                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-07 18:20                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-07 19:07                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-07 21:23                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-08 10:27                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-08 11:39                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-08 13:44                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-08 18:18                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-09 10:06                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-09 12:26                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-09 12:29                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-01  8:48 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-09-01 15:57 ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-01 21:42   ` Gene
2005-09-01 22:56     ` tmoran
2005-09-05 15:53       ` Gene
2005-09-05 17:47         ` jimmaureenrogers
2005-09-05 22:13           ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-06  8:24             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-05 19:22         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-09-05 21:54           ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-05 22:50             ` Larry Kilgallen
2005-09-05 23:46               ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-12  3:59                 ` Dave Thompson
2005-09-06 16:02             ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-06 21:00               ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-06  5:38         ` Pascal Obry
2005-09-05 21:48       ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-06  5:25         ` tmoran
2005-09-06 14:58           ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-06  9:26         ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-09-06 15:00           ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-07 11:02             ` Thierry Pirot
2005-09-07 20:09               ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-06 13:22         ` Bob Spooner
2005-09-06 15:30           ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-06 16:12             ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-09-06 21:21               ` Robert A Duff
2005-09-02 20:19     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2005-09-03 12:51     ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-09-03 14:08       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-05  8:34         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-09-05  9:32           ` Arrays indexed by fixed point types (Was: Surprise in array concatenation) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-05 11:07             ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2005-09-05 15:12               ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2005-09-05 12:14             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-05 13:07               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-09-05 15:10                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-09-05 11:29           ` Surprise in array concatenation Dr. Adrian Wrigley
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