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From: Simon Wright <simon@pushface.org>
Subject: Re: Not redistributing GNAT Pro (was: GWindows and a home for it)
Date: 08 Oct 2004 06:53:45 +0100
Date: 2004-10-08T06:53:45+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <x7vbrfdsql2.fsf@smaug.pushface.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87sm8qmjhv.fsf_-_@insalien.org

Ludovic Brenta <ludovic.brenta@insalien.org> writes:

> Customers are allowed to make changes to GNAT Pro and distribute
> their changes if they so choose, and they can even charge for that
> if they want.  The GMGPL guarantees them those rights.
> 
> I am not a supported customer of Ada Core's, but I can imagine several
> reasons why a customer would choose to respect Ada Core's request not
> to distribute their changes:
> 
> - They are not compiler businesses.  They are busy writing mission- or
>   life-critical software in Ada and have no time to devote to
>   modifying GNAT.  In fact, that's what they pay Ada Core for.
> 
> - They do not want to make it public that they use Ada.
> 
> - They do not want to put their reputation at stake, should their
>   modified GNAT Pro prove to be buggy.
> 
> - They do not want to fork away from GNAT Pro, because this would
>   cause maintenance nightmares.  And Ada software engineers know how
>   much that costs.
> 
> There may be other reasons as well which I have not thought of.  Would
> a supported customer care to enlighten us?

Those all sound reasonable reasons. But (for us) I personally think
the last is possibly the most important; the others aren't really on
the business's radar (it wouldn't occur to us to try selling Ada
compilers!)

As a current for-instance, we presently use a rebuilt RTS with (a) the
XDR version of System.Stream_Attributes, (b) an Ada.Command_Line that
doesn't raise exceptions on VxWorks (that's 3.16a1 only). This is all
very well, but we need to be sure that this rebuilt RTS is correct
(well, as correct as the supplied one). There are two ways I can see:
re-run ACATS ourselves, or pay ACT to do it. So it's an engineering
decision, to be preceded by asking ACT for a quote (today's job!)

By the way, thanks for the pointers in the Debian Ada Policy on the
inclusion of the ACATS subset in GCC.

-- 
Simon Wright                               100% Ada, no bugs.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-08  5:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 107+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-29  2:48 GWindows and a future home for it Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-29  2:53 ` stephane richard
2004-09-29  7:20   ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-29 12:40 ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-29 15:21   ` stephane richard
2004-09-29 19:12     ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-30  0:03 ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-30  1:39   ` stephane richard
2004-09-30  3:29   ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
     [not found]     ` <mailman.141.1096581654.390.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org>
2004-09-30 23:32       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01  1:28     ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-01  1:39       ` stephane richard
2004-10-01  6:43       ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
     [not found]     ` <umzz75se6.fsf@acm.org>
2004-10-01 10:48       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-01 14:49         ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-01 15:39           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-01 15:50             ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 16:25               ` Chris Humphries
2004-10-01 17:09                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-21 17:12                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-21 18:02                     ` Coupling or not coupling database and GUI libraries (was: GWindows and a future home for it) Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-21 21:11                       ` Coupling or not coupling database and GUI libraries Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-22  2:36                       ` Coupling or not coupling database and GUI libraries (was: GWindows and a future home for it) David Botton
2004-10-02  2:01             ` GWindows and a future home for it Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-30 14:40   ` Nick Roberts
2004-09-30 15:22     ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 19:52       ` Nick Roberts
2004-09-30 16:55     ` tmoran
2004-09-30 22:17   ` Stephen McNeill
2004-09-30 22:48     ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 16:34   ` Björn Persson
2004-10-01 16:58   ` AndreS
2004-10-01 18:08     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-01 18:16       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01 23:20         ` tmoran
2004-10-02  0:45         ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-10-03 17:23           ` David Botton
2004-10-04 22:10         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01 18:40       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-03 22:45         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-04 13:01           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-04 21:05             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-06 10:13               ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 13:15                 ` David Botton
2004-10-06 14:35                   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 15:07                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 17:04                       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 17:53                         ` Licenses and physical things Björn Persson
2004-10-06 18:02                         ` GWindows and a future home for it Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 18:39                           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 18:58                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-06 19:20                           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 20:30                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 21:28                               ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 21:40                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-07 11:50                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-10-07 14:33                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-06 13:19                 ` Gnat Pro and the GPL Björn Persson
2004-10-06 17:16                   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 17:55                     ` Björn Persson
2004-10-06 18:18                       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 19:02                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 20:25                           ` Björn Persson
2004-10-07  6:07                             ` Florian Weimer
2004-10-07 16:00                               ` Björn Persson
2004-10-06 22:21                         ` CBFalconer
2004-10-06 18:04                     ` Hyman Rosen
     [not found]               ` <4163C54F.9050700@netcabo.pt>
2004-10-07  0:27                 ` GWindows and a future home for it Stephen Leake
2004-10-07  0:55                   ` stephane richard
2004-10-07 19:11                     ` Not redistributing GNAT Pro (was: GWindows and a home for it) Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-08  2:07                       ` Jeff C r e e.m
2004-10-08 16:50                         ` Not redistributing GNAT Pro Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-08 17:26                           ` Jeff C r e e.m
2004-10-09  2:27                           ` Brian May
2004-10-09 11:14                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-09  5:16                           ` CBFalconer
2004-10-09  9:57                             ` Jerry van Dijk
2004-10-08  5:53                       ` Simon Wright [this message]
2004-10-01 23:57     ` GWindows and a future home for it Stephen Leake
2004-10-02  3:06     ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-02  7:13       ` tmoran
2004-10-03 16:22         ` James E. Hopper
2004-10-03 19:03         ` Future of Ada volunteer efforts David Botton
2004-10-03 23:31           ` stephane richard
2004-09-30  0:13 ` GWindows Database time type Stephen Leake
2004-09-30  4:31   ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-01  0:57     ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-01  1:44       ` stephane richard
2004-10-01  3:04         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01 10:07           ` stephane richard
2004-09-30 18:44   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-21 17:29     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-22  2:32       ` David Botton
2004-10-22 16:46         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-21 17:26   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-03 15:41 ` AdaPower and GWindows community effort drive David Botton
2004-10-03 16:45   ` stephane richard
2004-10-03 17:29     ` David Botton
2004-10-03 17:38       ` stephane richard
2004-10-03 19:10         ` David Botton
2004-10-04  2:12       ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-04  2:21         ` stephane richard
2004-10-04 13:25         ` David Botton
2004-10-04  2:37   ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-04  2:49     ` stephane richard
2004-10-04 13:44     ` David Botton
2004-10-05  1:25       ` David Botton
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