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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: GNAT and Tasklets
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 10:03:12 +0100
Date: 2014-12-20T10:03:12+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <x30bp7ki2pdz$.r8rfx6862jox$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: alpine.CYG.2.11.1412191929560.4116@WIL414CHAPIN.vtc.vsc.edu

On Fri, 19 Dec 2014 19:39:22 -0500, Peter Chapin wrote:

> Tasks are 
> good for large, relatively independent chunks of logic that need to 
> execute concurrently such as different control loops in an embedded 
> system.

Not only embedded, it is any system dealing with asynchronous events, like
when doing I/O.

> However, when writing parallel code that will execute over highly 
> regular data structures such as large matrices, explicit tasks are just a 
> distraction. In such applications the existence of tasks is an 
> implementation detail, not a design element.

Yes. The question is whether the programming paradigm built around a chain
of imperative instructions is good for such code altogether. I am not
arguing for graphical or functional languages. But I think that, possibly,
we should look after decomposition in terms of special objects instead,
like we did with protected objects in Ada 95.

> Trying to use explicit tasks for parallel programming is a kind of 
> abstraction inversion: using a high level construct to implement some low 
> level functionality. Sure it is possible but the result is ugly and 
> inefficient.

It is communication which makes that complex. The body of a tasklet or of a
parallel loop etc is usually not the problem. Which is why I think that
having it in an imperative manner does not solve it.

I see it as a lots of very small chains of instructions (bodies) which need
to be connected in some kind of mesh. The bodies themselves are of little
interest in this kind of problem. The connections is what should be
addressed.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de

  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-20  9:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-10 16:31 GNAT and Tasklets vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-11 10:02 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-12-11 16:30   ` Anh Vo
2014-12-11 18:15     ` David Botton
2014-12-11 21:45     ` Egil H H
2014-12-11 23:09   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-12  2:28     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-12-12  8:46   ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-12 23:33     ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-12-13  2:06   ` Brad Moore
2014-12-13  6:50     ` Dirk Craeynest
2014-12-14  0:18 ` Hubert
2014-12-14 21:29   ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-16  5:09     ` Brad Moore
2014-12-17 13:24       ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-16  4:42 ` Brad Moore
2014-12-17 13:06   ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-17 20:31     ` Niklas Holsti
2014-12-17 22:08       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-17 22:52         ` Björn Lundin
2014-12-17 23:58           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18 10:39             ` Björn Lundin
2014-12-18 23:01               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-19  8:39                 ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-12-19 23:39                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-19  8:59                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 11:56                 ` Björn Lundin
2014-12-20  0:02                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18  8:42       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-18  8:56         ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-18  9:36           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-18 10:32             ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-18 11:19               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-18 12:09                 ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-18 13:07                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 10:40                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-12-19 11:01                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 16:42                       ` Brad Moore
2014-12-19 17:28                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 18:35                           ` Brad Moore
2014-12-19 20:37                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-20  1:05                               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-20 17:36                                 ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 18:23                                   ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 19:21                                     ` Shark8
2014-12-21 19:45                                       ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 23:21                                         ` Shark8
2014-12-22 16:53                                           ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 21:35                                     ` tmoran
2014-12-21 22:50                                       ` Brad Moore
2014-12-21 23:34                                         ` Shark8
2014-12-22 16:55                                           ` Brad Moore
2014-12-22 23:06                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-20 16:49                             ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-12-20 17:58                               ` Brad Moore
2014-12-19 19:43                           ` Peter Chapin
2014-12-19 20:45                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-12-19 20:56                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-19 23:55                           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-19 23:51                       ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18 22:33               ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-19 13:01                 ` GNAT�and Tasklets vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-19 17:46                   ` GNAT?and Tasklets Brad Moore
2014-12-20  0:39                   ` GNAT and Tasklets Peter Chapin
2014-12-20  9:03                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2014-12-20  0:58                   ` GNAT�and Tasklets Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18  9:34         ` GNAT and Tasklets Niklas Holsti
2014-12-18  9:50           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-12-17 21:08     ` Brad Moore
2014-12-18  8:47       ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-12-18 21:58         ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-17 22:18     ` Randy Brukardt
2014-12-18  0:56     ` Shark8
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