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From: Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen <ole-hjalmar.kristensen@substitute_employer_here.com>
Subject: Re: memory management and productivity
Date: 25 Jun 2004 12:13:34 +0200
Date: 2004-06-25T10:13:34+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wvbreko4q71t.fsf@sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.153.1088127452.391.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org

>>>>> "SL" == Stephen Leake <stephen_leake@acm.org> writes:
<snip>

    SL> I'm suggesting that "garbage collection" is not what they _need_
    SL> (different from what they _want_).

    >> In other words, it would make Ada a more versatile language. 

    SL> Nope.

    SL> As many have pointed out, Ada the _langauge_ allows for garbage
    SL> collection, and some implementations have provided it (JGNAT in
    SL> particular). That has not lead to commercial success. So what has
    SL> changed, that you think it will lead to commercial success now?

"Allows for" is not the same as is available. You cannot write a
portable Ada application and take advantage of automatic garbage
collection. You *can* do that with Java. You can argue that
programmers do not need garbage collection, but you cannot stop them
from wanting it.

But I agree, I do not think that adding garbage collection would make
much difference wrt. commercial success of Ada. I think Ada is doomed
to forever being a niche language.

    SL> Ada provides better ways to manage memory, and programmers that take
    SL> the time to figure that out don't need traditional "garbage
    SL> collection".

Of course yo do not need it, but it can be convenient.

    >> Maybe you don't think that's wise, but if you don't, please don't
    >> complain about the fact that Java dwarfs Ada in popularity (and is
    >> now being adapted big-time for real-time use by the military).

    SL> I've never "complained" about that. I'm disappointed in the waste of
    SL> my tax dollars, but that's nothing new :).

    SL> -- 
    SL> -- Stephe


-- 
   C++: The power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade.



  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-25 10:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-17  4:56 memory management and productivity Russ
2004-06-17  5:15 ` tmoran
2004-06-17  8:07 ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-18 23:10   ` Russ
2004-06-19  9:04     ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-21  4:16       ` Russ
2004-06-21  7:29         ` Jano
2004-06-21  8:02           ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-21  8:22             ` Jano
2004-06-21  9:07               ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-21 22:36             ` Brian May
2004-06-22  7:47               ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-21  8:14           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-06-21  8:27             ` Jano
2004-06-21  8:29             ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-22  7:53               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-06-26 15:44                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-21 16:31             ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-22  7:58               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-06-21  8:14           ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-21 15:22             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-21 16:47               ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-21 17:51           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-22 17:02             ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-26 15:54             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-21  7:46         ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-21 19:03           ` Russ
2004-06-22  2:39             ` David Starner
2004-06-22  8:03               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-06-23  4:41                 ` Russ
2004-06-23  7:41                   ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-23 17:36                     ` Björn Persson
2004-06-23 22:06                       ` David Starner
2004-06-24  0:34                         ` Björn Persson
2004-06-24  6:45                           ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-24 10:27                             ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-23 23:02                       ` Russ
2004-06-26 16:16                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-23 13:11                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-23 17:21                     ` Björn Persson
2004-06-24  7:35                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-06-26 17:10                         ` Simon Wright
2004-06-23 18:18                     ` Russ
2004-06-23 23:18                       ` David Starner
2004-06-23 22:15                     ` Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                     ` <bebbba07.0406231018.21Organization: LJK Software <IKJODEu6UfVI@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2004-06-24  6:40                       ` Russ
2004-06-26 16:33                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-29  0:33                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-24 13:29                     ` Stephen Leake
2004-06-24 14:09                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-24 19:58                         ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-25  1:30                         ` Stephen Leake
2004-06-25  2:15                         ` Russ
2004-06-24 19:26                       ` Russ
2004-06-25  1:37                         ` Stephen Leake
2004-06-25 10:13                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen [this message]
2004-06-26  0:20                             ` David Starner
2004-06-25 23:35                           ` Russ
2004-06-26 11:27                             ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-26 13:45                             ` Ed Falis
2004-06-26 20:38                               ` Russ
2004-06-26 21:36                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-06-27  7:54                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-26 17:20                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-25  8:52                         ` David Starner
2004-06-24 20:51                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-22  6:09             ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-22 10:20             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-26 16:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-21  8:23         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2004-06-21 10:33 Christoph Karl Walter Grein
2004-06-21 10:38 ` Jano
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