From: Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen <ole-hjalmar.kristensen@substitute_employer_here.com>
Subject: Re: Division by zero
Date: 13 Jun 2005 10:03:07 +0200
Date: 2005-06-13T08:05:09+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <wvbrbr6a3cqs.fsf@sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: RqTqe.6788$U4.973079@news.xtra.co.nz
At least it's better than what happened to me when I ported a Pascal
program from a Norsk Data Pascal compiler to a Unix Pascal compiler.
Someone had used 1/0 intentionally to force the program to abort at
one place. The Unix Pascal compiler recognized that it could be
computed at compile time, and promtply dumped core....
>>>>> "L" == Lurker <nowhere@nothing.com> writes:
L> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
L> news:79ahr0jozmqb$.10jzllrcjpmsv.dlg@40tude.net...
>> > Well, yes. But can't it tell that division by zero is always wrong
>> > regardless?
>>
>> No, it is not, because it has a defined effect: Constraint_Error. Formally
>> speaking division by zero is not a contract violation and thus cannot be
>> "wrong". Consider the following:
>>
>> A : constant Integer := 0;
>> B : Integer := 1;
>> begin
>> B := B / A;
>> Put_Line ("Hello!");
>> exception
>> when others =>
>> Put_Line ("Good bye!");
>>
>> The above is a valid program, which should print "Good bye!". At the same
>> time the following is *wrong*:
>>
>> A : constant Integer := 0;
>> B : constant Integer := 1;
>> C : Integer;
>> begin
>> C := B / A;
>>
>> B/A is a static expression, which has to have a value at compile-time.
L> OK, I see you point. But, pratically speaking, the chances are that
L> that construct was an error. Perhaps a warning or some such would
L> be enough. If whoever wrote that was sure that's what they meant - fine.
L> But I was always under the impression that the Ada philosophy was
L> to avoid accidental mistakes as much as possible. And division by
L> zero sure should qualify as a suspect at least - not something that
L> just happily gets compiled.
>> >> Constraint_Error will be raised at runtime.
>> >
>> > It was. My question was - should it have been caught
>> > at compile time instead?
>>
>> I don't think it should. A class of errors which cannot be detected at
>> compile time cannot be compile-time errors. Or, in other words, if you
>> cannot rely on the compiler, you should not pretend you can. (:-))
L> I'm afraid I don't follow your logic there. Do you really mean that
L> a constant declared as = 0 cannot be detected at compile time?
L> Yes, the effects of using it to divide something may or may not be ok.
L> But that would equally apply to dividing a literal 1 by it, wouldn't it?
L> (Again, I realise your point about static vs other expressions.
L> But c'mon, unless someone specifically allows and handles
L> cases like that, surely the safest bet would be to at least point
L> out that there is something fishy going on and a "moral equivalent"
L> of asking "are you sure"?
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Dmitry A. Kazakov
>> http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
--
C++: The power, elegance and simplicity of a hand grenade.
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2005-06-11 21:03 Division by zero Lurker
2005-06-12 2:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
2005-06-12 3:04 ` Lurker
2005-06-12 8:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-12 9:43 ` Lurker
2005-06-12 10:36 ` Marius Amado Alves
2005-06-12 11:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-13 8:03 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen [this message]
2005-06-12 13:10 ` Robert A Duff
2005-06-12 16:55 ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-06-13 3:22 ` Keith Thompson
2005-06-14 2:14 ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-06-13 8:47 ` Lurker
2005-06-14 2:19 ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-06-14 8:35 ` Keith Thompson
2005-06-13 12:19 ` Robert A Duff
2005-06-14 2:31 ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-06-14 8:21 ` Lurker
2005-06-14 20:22 ` Randy Brukardt
2005-06-28 21:22 ` Robert A Duff
2005-06-29 5:50 ` Lurker
2005-06-29 13:27 ` Robert A Duff
2005-06-29 13:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-29 16:03 ` Robert A Duff
2005-06-30 1:19 ` Lurker
2005-06-30 11:16 ` Stuart Palin
2005-06-29 13:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-29 16:07 ` Robert A Duff
2005-06-30 8:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-29 9:20 ` Lurker
2005-06-29 9:49 ` Christoph Grein
2005-06-29 10:40 ` Lurker
2005-06-29 11:04 ` Jeff Creem
2005-06-29 12:28 ` Martin Dowie
2005-06-29 13:40 ` Robert A Duff
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2005-06-12 17:38 ` Simon Wright
2005-06-12 12:21 ` Robert A Duff
2005-06-12 22:53 ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-06-13 8:34 ` Lurker
2005-06-13 8:54 ` Marius Amado Alves
2005-06-13 17:59 ` Simon Wright
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