* is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? @ 2011-03-12 1:33 Nasser M. Abbasi 2011-03-12 12:01 ` Peter C. Chapin 2011-03-13 13:22 ` John McCormick 0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Nasser M. Abbasi @ 2011-03-12 1:33 UTC (permalink / raw) I made a survey of text books today at my university book store, and I could not find a single book on Ada (nor on Fortran for that matter). I remember many years ago that I saw one textbook that was in Ada for a course in computer science area. These are the computer languages books I've seen (all textbooks for courses) 1) C/C++: C FOR SCIENTISTS+ENGINEERS, ABSOLUTE C++, EBK ABSOLUTE C++, DATA STRUCTURES+ALG.ANAL.IN C++ 2) Perl: ELEMENTS OF PROGRAMMING WITH PERL 3) Matlab: few, here is one ENGINEERING COMPUTATION WITH MATLAB, 4) Python: PYTHON PROGRAMMING I did not see a Java one at this school at this time, but I have seen textbooks on Java before. if students do not learn Ada at school, there is less chance they will use. It looks like C/C++ is still popular for teaching, I find this amazing :) --Nasser ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-12 1:33 is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? Nasser M. Abbasi @ 2011-03-12 12:01 ` Peter C. Chapin 2011-03-13 13:22 ` John McCormick 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Peter C. Chapin @ 2011-03-12 12:01 UTC (permalink / raw) On Fri, 11 Mar 2011, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote: > I made a survey of text books today at my university book store, and I > could not find a single book on Ada (nor on Fortran for that matter). At Vermont Technical College Ada is not officially covered in any of our standard courses. However, I have presented it as an auxiliary topic in a few courses. One year, for example, I taught a special topics course in which the students built a weather station as a group project using Ada. I'm not the only faculty member who uses Ada in the classroom. We have an adjunct who uses the language in his business (he sees it as a competitive advantage) and also presents it in the courses he teaches when he can. We have also made significant use of the Ada and SPARK in some special projects. Those projects have involved a number of students over the last few years but the projects are not a direct part of the curriculum. Last year one of those students applied for a job at a shop where Ada was being used. The employer was interested in (and I think a little surprised by) the fact that he knew Ada but the position they were looking to fill did not require language. In the end he didn't get the job. Another student told me that during an interview she proudly told the interviewer that she knew Ada (it had become her favorite language). Apparently he said, "Ada? Does anybody still use that?" So I guess it wasn't seen as an advantage in that situation. Alas. > It looks like C/C++ is still popular for teaching, I find this amazing :) We do a lot with C and C++ in our computer engineering technology program. C is so dominant in the world of embedded systems, device drivers, etc, that it would be negligent not to cover it. Peter P.S. The adjunct I mentioned earlier is a former VTC student who was first exposed to Ada in one of my classes. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-12 1:33 is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? Nasser M. Abbasi 2011-03-12 12:01 ` Peter C. Chapin @ 2011-03-13 13:22 ` John McCormick 2011-03-13 13:40 ` Nasser M. Abbasi 2011-03-14 11:18 ` Georg Bauhaus 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: John McCormick @ 2011-03-13 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mar 11, 8:33 pm, "Nasser M. Abbasi" <n...@12000.org> wrote: > I made a survey of text books today at my university book store, > and I could not find a single book on Ada (nor on Fortran for that matter). > > --Nasser Ada is still being used for teaching. A couple of pieces of evidence: There are around 120 schools participating in the GAP (GNAT Academic Program) sponsored by AdaCore. In 2010 I had a banner year in sales of my two Freshman level Ada textbooks (Intro to Programming and Data Structures). You won't find any Ada textbooks at college book stores where it is not required for a particular course. Currently C++, Java, and increasingly Python are the major languages used in Freshman courses. I'm finding students in my upper level courses who started out in Python haven't a clue about arrays. Another classic "low level" language feature bites the dust replaced by dynamic data structures from massive libraries. I have just returned from the ACM SIGCSE (Special Interest Group for Computer Science Education) where SIGAda has a booth in the exhibit hall. Amazing how many people stop by to say how they would love to teach Ada to beginners but that the students would revolt if they did not teach one of the popular three languages. I think we are the only discipline in which the content of Freahman courses is determined by the "want ads". John John ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-13 13:22 ` John McCormick @ 2011-03-13 13:40 ` Nasser M. Abbasi 2011-03-14 13:23 ` Hyman Rosen 2011-03-15 16:00 ` Lucretia 2011-03-14 11:18 ` Georg Bauhaus 1 sibling, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Nasser M. Abbasi @ 2011-03-13 13:40 UTC (permalink / raw) On 3/13/2011 6:22 AM, John McCormick wrote: > On Mar 11, 8:33 pm, "Nasser M. Abbasi"<n...@12000.org> wrote: >> I made a survey of text books today at my university book store, >> and I could not find a single book on Ada (nor on Fortran for that matter). >> >> --Nasser > > Ada is still being used for teaching. That is good to know. ... > Currently C++, Java, and increasingly Python are the major languages > used in Freshman courses. Yes, and Matlab for Engineering and many math departments as well. > I'm finding students in my upper level > courses who started out in Python haven't a clue about arrays. > Another classic "low level" language feature bites the dust replaced > by dynamic data structures from massive libraries. > Sure. Ask one of those students to code a linked list or a queue from scratch for example, and they will look funny at you ;). Everything is an object or a container these days. The old skills of learning how to implement classical data structures from scratch (linked list, queues, hash tables, binary tress, DAG's etc...) are now replaced by just learning new API's of reusable libraries. It is a matter of finding the correct class or package and using it. That is all what is needed. No need to know how it works from inside. One can't really fight this trend, it is the new way of doing things. > I have just returned from the ACM SIGCSE (Special Interest Group for > Computer Science Education) where SIGAda has a booth in the exhibit > hall. Amazing how many people stop by to say how they would love to > teach Ada to beginners but that the students would revolt if they did > not teach one of the popular three languages. I think we are the only > discipline in which the content of Freahman courses is determined by > the "want ads". > > John Yes, schools teach what industry asks for. If industry starts asking for graduates with Ada skills, then schools will start teaching that. --Nasser ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-13 13:40 ` Nasser M. Abbasi @ 2011-03-14 13:23 ` Hyman Rosen 2011-03-15 16:00 ` Lucretia 1 sibling, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Hyman Rosen @ 2011-03-14 13:23 UTC (permalink / raw) On 3/13/2011 9:40 AM, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote: > It is a matter of finding the correct class or package and using it. > That is all what is needed. No need to know how it works from inside. > One can't really fight this trend, it is the new way of doing things. Of course, this is not a new trend. People who need mathematical functions do not write their own cosine routine, or even their own Bessel function routine. They don't write their own linear algebra packages. Schoolchildren are no longer taught how to extract square roots using pencil and paper. Because programming is now taught differently from the way you learned it does not make the new way bad. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-13 13:40 ` Nasser M. Abbasi 2011-03-14 13:23 ` Hyman Rosen @ 2011-03-15 16:00 ` Lucretia 2011-03-15 17:21 ` Pascal Obry 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Lucretia @ 2011-03-15 16:00 UTC (permalink / raw) > Yes, schools teach what industry asks for. If industry starts > asking for graduates with Ada skills, then schools will start > teaching that. Seems there is one group saying nobody teaches it so we're moving to C and/or C++ and the other group group saying that nobody asks for it, so it's taught. You should teach it anyway. Our university taught it over C/C++ (back in 95), unfortunately, they moved to Java because it was the next big thing (lots of hype), I heard that they later regretted it. AFAIK, York still teaches it, because Alan Burns teaches there. Luke. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-15 16:00 ` Lucretia @ 2011-03-15 17:21 ` Pascal Obry 2011-03-15 19:16 ` Florian Weimer ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Pascal Obry @ 2011-03-15 17:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Lucretia Luke, > AFAIK, York still teaches it, because Alan Burns teaches there. Note only this university, but lot of others. See for example all the GAP members using GNAT GPL: http://www.adacore.com/home/academia/members/ And this does not count university not using GNAT or not registered. Pascal. -- --|------------------------------------------------------ --| Pascal Obry Team-Ada Member --| 45, rue Gabriel Peri - 78114 Magny Les Hameaux FRANCE --|------------------------------------------------------ --| http://www.obry.net - http://v2p.fr.eu.org --| "The best way to travel is by means of imagination" --| --| gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key F949BD3B ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-15 17:21 ` Pascal Obry @ 2011-03-15 19:16 ` Florian Weimer 2011-03-15 19:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2011-03-27 23:12 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) 2011-03-28 21:56 ` richard 2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Florian Weimer @ 2011-03-15 19:16 UTC (permalink / raw) * Pascal Obry: >> AFAIK, York still teaches it, because Alan Burns teaches there. > > Note only this university, but lot of others. See for example all the > GAP members using GNAT GPL: > > http://www.adacore.com/home/academia/members/ That's not necessarily indicative of teaching. In Germany, there is quite a bit of software development going on in universities, using students as unpaid labor and who are forced to assign copyright to a spin-off as a prerequisite for obtaining a degree. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-15 19:16 ` Florian Weimer @ 2011-03-15 19:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2011-03-27 23:17 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2011-03-15 19:58 UTC (permalink / raw) On Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:16:42 +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > That's not necessarily indicative of teaching. In Germany, there is > quite a bit of software development going on in universities, using > students as unpaid labor and who are forced to assign copyright to a > spin-off as a prerequisite for obtaining a degree. True, but I am uncertain what is better to Ada, being taught to many students or being used by a lesser number but for some practical work. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-15 19:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2011-03-27 23:17 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) 2011-03-28 8:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) @ 2011-03-27 23:17 UTC (permalink / raw) Le Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:58:01 +0100, Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> a écrit: > True, but I am uncertain what is better to Ada, being taught to many > students or being used by a lesser number but for some practical work. Depends on what will go in the future: will they become decisioners ? Will they keep some good memories from what they learned about Ada ? -- Si les chats miaulent et font autant de vocalises bizarres, c’est pas pour les chiens. “ c++; /* this makes c bigger but returns the old value */ ” [Anonymous] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-27 23:17 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) @ 2011-03-28 8:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2011-03-28 10:25 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2011-03-28 8:26 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 01:17:31 +0200, Yannick Duch�ne (Hibou57) wrote: > Le Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:58:01 +0100, Dmitry A. Kazakov > <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> a �crit: >> True, but I am uncertain what is better to Ada, being taught to many >> students or being used by a lesser number but for some practical work. > Depends on what will go in the future: will they become decisioners ? Will > they keep some good memories from what they learned about Ada ? No, I mean that things being taught are often ignored or hated by students. Practical work leaves a deeper imprint. In general I am a bit sceptical about teaching programming languages. Programming is not a science and languages are even less than science. They'd better learn fundamental things, e.g. math. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-28 8:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2011-03-28 10:25 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) 2011-03-28 12:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) @ 2011-03-28 10:25 UTC (permalink / raw) Le Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:26:02 +0200, Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> a écrit: > No, I mean that things being taught are often ignored or hated by > students. Ouch, that's so bad ? :( > Practical work leaves a deeper imprint. In general I am a bit sceptical > about teaching programming languages. Programming is not a science and > languages are even less than science. True for Ada, which was designed with practical purpose in mind, but just less true some other languages (not the topic here anyway). Yes, Ada is not formal in the mathematical sense. -- Si les chats miaulent et font autant de vocalises bizarres, c’est pas pour les chiens. “ c++; /* this makes c bigger but returns the old value */ ” [Anonymous] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-28 10:25 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) @ 2011-03-28 12:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov 2011-03-28 17:53 ` Georg Bauhaus 0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2011-03-28 12:19 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:25:30 +0200, Yannick Duch�ne (Hibou57) wrote: > Le Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:26:02 +0200, Dmitry A. Kazakov > <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> a �crit: >> No, I mean that things being taught are often ignored or hated by >> students. > Ouch, that's so bad ? :( Or maybe worse? >> Practical work leaves a deeper imprint. In general I am a bit sceptical >> about teaching programming languages. Programming is not a science and >> languages are even less than science. > True for Ada, which was designed with practical purpose in mind, but just > less true some other languages (not the topic here anyway). Even more true for those. > Yes, Ada is not formal in the mathematical sense. A programming language must be formal in terms of the science of programming, which does not exist. The languages you probably have in mind are as formal as numerology is. It is modern times scholastics. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-28 12:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov @ 2011-03-28 17:53 ` Georg Bauhaus 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2011-03-28 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw) On 28.03.11 14:19, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:25:30 +0200, Yannick Duch�ne (Hibou57) wrote: >> Yes, Ada is not formal in the mathematical sense. (Mathematics, like Ada, is not formal in the mathematical sense. That's not a hindrance, though, to either practising mathematics or to teaching it.) > A programming language must be formal in terms of the science of > programming, which does not exist. Trying to strive for the science of programming is possible. Doing so, then, there is even more reason to try teaching the parts of programming that would be considered essential, after finding these parts in a scientific way. What are the essential parts of programming, and how to find them, scientifically? Begin science by observation. Evaluation of programming can find parts that programmers have been using productively for many years. For example, one might find procedures for measuring the effectiveness of certain ways to define a module's (type's) interface, given a programming situation (to be defined in a minute). Compare programming situations by varying the parameters of these "situational experiments". Declare that effectiveness means that the outcome is technically working and is understandable by most humans concerned, now, in the history, and in the future, without too much effort. Continuing the module example with further definitions, a programming situation consists of (a) human programmers and (b) a problem to be solved. A module can be defined in terms of data, subroutines, and visibility. Then, which module is effective, technically? And on the human side of the situation, given a PL, how does the module's definition using the PL influence the complexity of understanding it (the human side of modules) when compared to doing the same using another PL? The latter question assumes the importance of understanding which I find plausible when trying to turn to the science of programming. (Assuming that efficiency, not mere functioning, is what motivates the subjects of the experiment, too.) Include reasoning from the psychology of thought. (By which I mean down-to-earth topics, such as - human pattern matching as part of the process of human understanding, our perception matching patterns that move ("operational") or that stand still ("denotational") - reading comprehension, including overload resolution of program text - ...) Evaluating the different outcomes of programming situations, one might then arrive at a suggestion, namely to pick parts of programming for teaching (or language design) that are both ubiquitous and that have a justifiable learning curve. Found by scientific investigation. "Ubiquitous parts of programming" should not mean that everyone uses X all the time; frequency of X alone could be a consequence of a flaw in language design (thinking of C's int). This can be checked by the scientific method of comparing. Justification of the learning curve must include comparison with other solutions (e.g. other languages), too. Drawing upon programming literature for scientific evaluation the subject "Best Practice" is a source of information about possible choices of what is essential in programming. Essentials define a goal and following it we are led to the human prerequisites of ever arriving at or near it. These would be the facts that one must know, the skills that one must acquire, in order to approach the essentials of programming. Like: procedure call, modular arithmetic, objects in memory, ... Experiment: Leave out a fact or a skill and observe the programming situation. The experiment can be performed as a retrospect, or by comparing languages that do or do not have the "fact" (hence require no knowledge of it). Eventually, the result of observation and reasoning will be a formalism of just the features of programming languages that are considered essential. The formalism is not just technical, it refers to programming situations as well. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-15 17:21 ` Pascal Obry 2011-03-15 19:16 ` Florian Weimer @ 2011-03-27 23:12 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) 2011-03-28 21:56 ` richard 2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) @ 2011-03-27 23:12 UTC (permalink / raw) Le Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:21:58 +0100, Pascal Obry <pascal@obry.net> a écrit: > Note only this university, but lot of others. See for example all the > GAP members using GNAT GPL: > > http://www.adacore.com/home/academia/members/ > > And this does not count university not using GNAT or not registered. Yes indeed, not all registered. At least the town where I live, Metz (france), learn Ada at an IUT, and is not part of the above list. However, the course content below, show they do learn it: http://www.iut.univ-metz.fr/formations/dut-en-annee-speciale/informatique-info-annee-speciale/article/programme-des-enseignements-418 Three years go, I was looking at some printed books about the Ada 2005 reference. At a library, the bookseller could not gave me what I wanted, but still confessed me just a few days before, he get a similar request from a student in that same town. -- Si les chats miaulent et font autant de vocalises bizarres, c’est pas pour les chiens. “ c++; /* this makes c bigger but returns the old value */ ” [Anonymous] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-15 17:21 ` Pascal Obry 2011-03-15 19:16 ` Florian Weimer 2011-03-27 23:12 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) @ 2011-03-28 21:56 ` richard 2011-03-29 7:30 ` stefan-lucks 2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: richard @ 2011-03-28 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw) On Mar 15, 9:21 am, Pascal Obry <pas...@obry.net> wrote: > Luke, > > > AFAIK, York still teaches it, because Alan Burns teaches there. > > Note only this university, but lot of others. See for example all the > GAP members using GNAT GPL: > > http://www.adacore.com/home/academia/members/ > > And this does not count university not using GNAT or not registered. > > Pascal. > > -- > > --|------------------------------------------------------ > --| Pascal Obry Team-Ada Member > --| 45, rue Gabriel Peri - 78114 Magny Les Hameaux FRANCE > --|------------------------------------------------------ > --| http://www.obry.net - http://v2p.fr.eu.org > --| "The best way to travel is by means of imagination" > --| > --| gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key F949BD3B We are a GAP member with a couple PhD students using Ada, and maybe two faculty members. However , Ada, once required of students is no longer used I. The curriculum. Our Computer Science faculty is largely hostile toward Ada. People read the memorandum from Mr. Page (1996) as meaning that the DoD abandoned Ada, and that view has persisted. The prevailing view among the faculty is that Ada is no longer relevant for real projects. This is not likely to change. Nothing significant has occurred to alter that perception. As the lone member of the faculty to still tout the benefits of Ada, I am regarded as something of a throwback to an earlier time, humored and tolerated, but not taken seriously in my advocacy of Ada. I continue to update my book, Ada Distilled, and release it free for anyone Who wants to use it. That is as close as I get to teaching the language these days. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-28 21:56 ` richard @ 2011-03-29 7:30 ` stefan-lucks 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: stefan-lucks @ 2011-03-29 7:30 UTC (permalink / raw) At our place, Ada is tought in the context of a required elective course on safe and secure systems, which most of our master students take. On Mon, 28 Mar 2011, richard wrote: > However , Ada, once required of students is no longer used I. [...] Our > Computer Science faculty is largely hostile toward Ada. [...] > > I continue to update my book, Ada Distilled, and release it free for > anyone Who wants to use it. That is as close as I get to teaching the > language these days. I like your book, and I recommend it to students. Thank you for that contribution! -- ------ Stefan Lucks -- Bauhaus-University Weimar -- Germany ------ Stefan dot Lucks at uni minus weimar dot de ------ I love the taste of Cryptanalysis in the morning! ------ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-13 13:22 ` John McCormick 2011-03-13 13:40 ` Nasser M. Abbasi @ 2011-03-14 11:18 ` Georg Bauhaus 2011-03-27 23:20 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) 1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread From: Georg Bauhaus @ 2011-03-14 11:18 UTC (permalink / raw) On 13.03.11 14:22, John McCormick wrote: > I have just returned from the ACM SIGCSE (Special Interest Group for > Computer Science Education) where SIGAda has a booth in the exhibit > hall. Amazing how many people stop by to say how they would love to > teach Ada to beginners but that the students would revolt if they did > not teach one of the popular three languages. I think we are the only > discipline in which the content of Freahman courses is determined by > the "want ads". All the more spin doctoring seems needed. I would hope that Brinch Hansen effects can be avoided by being constructive. Isn't there a way to frame ``operational programming'' such that it is appealing to at least some mathnic and engineering groups? (Showing how to actually program and reason in real TIME and real SPACE.) One idea is to remove the language name dressing from the ads and reduce them to their popular content. Such as (preparatory work for) O-O Programming, functional style, the Map-Reduce Model in concurrent programming languages, efficient banking (perhaps Duncan Sands can explain?) etc. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
* Re: is Ada still being used for teaching at universities? 2011-03-14 11:18 ` Georg Bauhaus @ 2011-03-27 23:20 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) 0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread From: Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) @ 2011-03-27 23:20 UTC (permalink / raw) Le Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:18:00 +0100, Georg Bauhaus <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de> a écrit: > I would hope that Brinch Hansen effects can be avoided by being > constructive. What is Brinch Hansen Effects please ? -- Si les chats miaulent et font autant de vocalises bizarres, c’est pas pour les chiens. “ c++; /* this makes c bigger but returns the old value */ ” [Anonymous] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 19+ messages in thread
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