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From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen)
Subject: Re: Ada OS Kernel features
Date: 5 Sep 2001 15:14:29 -0500
Date: 2001-09-05T15:14:29-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wjwKHdGfRR9P@eisner.encompasserve.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3%ul7.3362$9z1.440040@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com

In article <3%ul7.3362$9z1.440040@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>, "chris.danx" <chris.danx@ntlworld.com> writes:
> 
>> > You should be able to load/unload a driver dynamically (I hate rebooting
>> > because of driver change).
>>
>> Agreed.  This is not simple to implement, but it is well worth the trouble
>>
>> > You should be able to "overload" a driver. What I mean ?  Lets assume
>> > you have a simple grafic driver on bootup, then you load a "better"
>> > (more complex, higher resolution, 3D excelerator ...) one. If this one
>> > crashes, then it should simply be unloaded and the system should
>> > continue work with the (simple) default driver - instead of showing a
>> > "blue screen" ;-)
>>
>> My first reaction to this was "Not Possible".  However, that isn't
> entirely
>> true; it is just *VERY VERY* difficult.
> 
> Only in the "drivers in supervisor mode" model.
> 
>> A driver runs in kernel mode,
> 
> Why?  Why not just have it in user mode?  It makes more sense to have them
> in user mode, at least to me.  They can only corrupt themselves then, etc.

A driver is part of the TCB.  It cannot be part of the TCB in user mode.

(For anyone unfamiliar with the concept, the TCB is the Trusted Computing
Base which implements the security policy of the system.)

> I really don't get why a driver must have access to system structures or
> atleast those in kernel space, can you explain this?

A driver has access to raw hardware.  Therefore it necessarily has
access to the system -- it could rewrite the copy of the OS on disk
if it chose.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-09-05 20:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-05  5:58 Ada OS Kernel features Brian Catlin
2001-09-05 10:15 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-09-05 11:16 ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-09-05 17:06   ` Brian Catlin
2001-09-06 14:35     ` Marin David Condic
2001-09-07  9:31       ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-09-05 17:55   ` David Starner
2001-09-05 18:42     ` Darren New
2001-09-12  6:47   ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-09-05 14:04 ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-05 17:23   ` Brian Catlin
2001-09-05 20:17     ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-05 21:10       ` Brian Catlin
2001-09-06  6:45         ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-09-06  6:56           ` Brian Catlin
2001-09-06 14:05             ` Ted Dennison
2001-09-05 16:02 ` Alfred Hilscher
2001-09-05 16:19   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-09-05 17:58     ` Brian Catlin
2001-09-05 17:44   ` Brian Catlin
2001-09-05 17:58     ` Darren New
2001-09-05 18:51     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-09-05 19:25     ` chris.danx
2001-09-05 20:07       ` Darren New
2001-09-05 20:14       ` Larry Kilgallen [this message]
2001-09-06 13:45         ` Alfred Hilscher
2001-09-06 18:06         ` chris.danx
2001-09-06 19:41           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-09-06 22:32             ` chris.danx
2001-09-07 11:04               ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-09-07  8:04           ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-09-07  8:18             ` Mattias Svensson
2001-09-07 12:40               ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-09-12  7:12               ` Mats Karlssohn
2001-09-05 20:18       ` Brian Catlin
2001-09-06  6:48         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-09-06  6:59           ` Brian Catlin
2001-09-10  7:32             ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-09-06 13:42     ` Alfred Hilscher
2001-09-07  8:13       ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-09-08  3:55     ` Kenneth Almquist
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