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From: Wes Groleau <groleau+news@freeshell.org>
Subject: Re: Typing in Ada
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 09:36:23 -0500
Date: 2004-06-01T09:36:23-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wd2dnbGfd4zUCSHdRVn-gg@gbronline.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d4vnb0tepd4togdrvdrbqpok1ne6n9i2vp@4ax.com>

Dennis Lee Bieber wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 02:36:53 GMT, Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com>

>>limited. In a real program that does something useful, what kinds
>>of things do you want to count up to 100 but not to 101? To 200
> 
> 
> 	[snip good example]

A person's age; you may not know where to put the limit,
but you know you need to do additional checking if you
see 200.

> 	Angular measurements: 0..360 (though likely you'd want some
> floating point type with an upper bound one "step" below 360.0)

If I wanted all responses to be "normalized," I would override
the operators to make it a "modular" float.

But the point of strong typing is that you can't inadvertently
add an Age to the measure of angle AGE.

More important to me than strong typing is abstraction--the
ability to define types whose properties match what they
represent--instead of just being new names for 'int' or 'float'

When these types are numeric in nature, Ada's deriving and subtyping
mechanisms make this simple.  In C/C++/Java you have to do a lot more
work to get the same behavior.  In Java, you CAN'T get the same behavior
with reasonable syntax, since operators are banned from such types.

-- 
Wes Groleau
Alive and Well
http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau/



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-06-01 14:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-31 13:32 Typing in Ada Empit
2004-05-31 14:04 ` Poul-Erik Andreasen
2004-05-31 17:01 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-31 20:03   ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-31 22:56     ` tmoran
2004-06-01  1:09       ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-01  4:40         ` tmoran
2004-06-01 11:26           ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-10  3:01             ` Dave Thompson
2004-06-10  3:00         ` Dave Thompson
2004-05-31 23:22     ` Nick Roberts
2004-06-01  1:04       ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-01  2:29         ` Nick Roberts
2004-06-02  4:39         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-02 15:17           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-01  2:36       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-01  4:27         ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-01  4:05           ` Hyman Rosen
     [not found]         ` <d4vnb0tepd4togdrvdrbqpok1ne6n9i2vp@4ax.com>
2004-06-01 14:36           ` Wes Groleau [this message]
2004-06-01 20:24         ` Niklas Holsti
2004-06-02  4:43           ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-02  5:28             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-02  8:19               ` tmoran
2004-06-02 14:47               ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-02 11:26             ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-02 14:54               ` gratuitous restrictions (was:Typing in Ada) Wes Groleau
2004-06-02  5:04           ` Typing in Ada Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-01  2:14     ` David C. Hoos
2004-06-02  1:30     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-06-02 10:53       ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-06-02 11:38         ` Marin David Condic
2004-06-17  2:50           ` Dave Thompson
2004-06-17  4:24             ` James Rogers
2004-06-17 12:28               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-17 23:42                 ` James Rogers
2004-06-20 11:27                   ` Nick Roberts
2004-06-20 23:29                     ` new revision ada Brian May
2004-06-21  2:16                       ` tmoran
2004-06-21  2:34                         ` James Rogers
2004-06-22  2:16                           ` Roland Illig
2004-06-22  3:41                             ` James Rogers
2004-06-22  6:53                               ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-21 23:33                         ` Brian May
2004-06-22 20:26                           ` Simon Wright
2004-06-23  0:50                             ` Larry Elmore
2004-06-22 22:06                           ` tmoran
2004-06-21  5:31                       ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-21 12:27                       ` new revision ada (limited with, excpetion handling) Nick Roberts
2004-06-21 13:04                         ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-22 10:38                       ` new revision ada Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-22 12:45                         ` James Rogers
2004-06-22 15:17                           ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-22 16:09                             ` new revision ada (exception handling) Nick Roberts
2004-06-23  7:55                               ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-23  8:40                                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-23 19:33                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-24  6:57                                     ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-24 21:13                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-25  8:05                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-25 17:28                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-23  4:31                             ` new revision ada Brian May
2004-06-23 19:47                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-22 16:37                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-26 14:57                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-01  1:02 ` Typing in Ada Alexander E. Kopilovich
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-06-01  2:11 David C. Hoos, Sr.
2004-06-01  2:13 David C. Hoos, Sr.
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