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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@world.std.com>
Subject: Re: Subverting 'Access for Sub-programs
Date: 1999/08/06
Date: 1999-08-06T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wccso5xnhyh.fsf@world.std.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7oeini$1pb$1@nnrp1.deja.com

Robert Dewar <robert_dewar@my-deja.com> writes:

> Well this has been dealt with in length in previous threads,
> so it is not appropriate to repeat it, but briefly, an extension
> of a tagged type with new overriding primitives clearly
> generates the possibility of dispatching to these new
> primitives. If you allow extension in a smaller scope, you
> can obviously generate dangling pointers for these methods,
> using class variables whose value is the inner derived type.
> It would thus be unsafe to allow this extension.

Tucker and I discussed a design for allowing nested type extensions for
*limited* types, which would have prevented the dangling pointer issues.
I don't remember if we ever formally proposed this idea in public, or if
we killed it ourselves before it was seen by any reviewers.  I think it
involved a lot of implementation burden, and I have vague recollections
of worrying about the mob of generic-body-sharing compiler writers we
would have had to flee from...

Another idea, which was never seriously considered, would be to allow
nested type extensions, and then check at run time upon leaving a scope
that there are no objects with that 'Tag still in existence.  That
design could be made to work, but there are plenty of problems with it.

- Bob
-- 
Change robert to bob to get my real email address.  Sorry.




  reply	other threads:[~1999-08-06  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-08-03  0:00 Subverting 'Access for Sub-programs Anton Gibbs
1999-08-03  0:00 ` David C. Hoos, Sr.
1999-08-05  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1999-08-03  0:00 ` Brian Rogoff
1999-08-03  0:00 ` Michael F. Yoder
1999-08-03  0:00 ` Steve Doiel
1999-08-03  0:00 ` tmoran
1999-08-03  0:00 ` Ted Dennison
1999-08-04  0:00 ` Anton Gibbs
1999-08-04  0:00   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-08-04  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1999-08-05  0:00       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-08-05  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1999-08-05  0:00           ` Brian Rogoff
1999-08-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-09  0:00               ` Tucker Taft
1999-08-10  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-11  0:00                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
1999-08-11  0:00                     ` Richard D Riehle
1999-08-11  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-12  0:00                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
1999-08-14  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-16  0:00                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
1999-08-11  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1999-08-11  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-11  0:00                   ` Tucker Taft
1999-08-13  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-13  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-13  0:00                       ` Brian Rogoff
1999-08-05  0:00           ` tmoran
1999-08-06  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1999-08-05  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-05  0:00         ` adam
1999-08-05  0:00           ` adam
1999-08-06  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1999-08-06  0:00               ` adam
1999-08-09  0:00                 ` Mark Biggar
1999-08-09  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1999-08-05  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-05  0:00             ` What is a Display ? (was: Subverting 'Access for Sub-programs) Larry Kilgallen
1999-08-05  0:00               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-08-06  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-06  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-06  0:00         ` Subverting 'Access for Sub-programs Brian Rogoff
1999-08-07  0:00           ` Gautier
1999-08-05  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1999-08-05  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-05  0:00         ` Brian Rogoff
1999-08-04  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1999-08-04  0:00     ` Brian Rogoff
1999-08-05  0:00       ` tmoran
1999-08-05  0:00         ` Aidan Skinner
1999-08-05  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-05  0:00           ` Ray Blaak
1999-08-06  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-06  0:00               ` Robert A Duff [this message]
1999-08-08  0:00                 ` Brian Rogoff
1999-08-09  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1999-08-10  0:00                     ` Brian Rogoff
1999-08-09  0:00                 ` Tucker Taft
1999-08-06  0:00             ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-08-06  0:00               ` Hyman Rosen
1999-08-07  0:00                 ` Florian Weimer
1999-08-05  0:00     ` Anton Gibbs
1999-08-05  0:00   ` Steve Quinlan
1999-08-04  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1999-08-04  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1999-08-04  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
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