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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com>
Subject: Re: ada paper critic
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:47:00 GMT
Date: 2002-06-18T20:47:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wccn0tsxqkb.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3D0F853B.9040902@mail.com

Hyman Rosen <hyrosen@mail.com> writes:

> Robert A Duff wrote:
>  > plan old variable names use the same
>  > notation as parameterless calls.
> 
> Don't forget that enumeration literals are considered
> parameterless functions. It's this syntax which allows
> different enumerations to share the same literals, yet
> have them be disambiguated by overloading in context.
> 
> A very elegeant bit of hackery!

Nonsense.  (Sorry. ;-))  The reasoning, apparently, was:

    1. We only want to overload subprograms.
    
    2. But we also want to overload enumeration literals.
    
    3. Therefore enumeration literals must be subprograms.

But the idea that enumeration literals are subprograms is patently
nonsensical.  It confuses people trying to learn the language.
It complicates compilers.  It provides no practical benefit
(i.e. no gain in expressive power).  It causes complication
in the RM (if these things are subprograms, then when exactly
are their bodies elaborated?  Can calling them raise Program_Error?)

The proper line of reasoning should have been 1, then 2, then
"3. Therefore we must have been wrong about 1."  Just define
enumeration literals to be overloadable.  And if enum lits can
be overloaded, why can't (for example) constants (which are more
like enum lits than enum lits are like functions)?

Sorry, "elegeant" is not the term I would use to describe this bit of
hackery.

Numeric literals are also overloaded, in a sense, although the RM
doesn't describe it that way.  (For subtle reasons involving named
numbers (another kludge), it's described in terms of implicit
conversion.)

Notations like aggregate notation are also overloaded.
No attempt is made to call aggregates functions (although
that makes some sense, at least for record aggregates).

- Bob



  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-18 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-14 14:31 ada paper critic Alderson, Paul A.
2002-06-14 15:16 ` Darren New
2002-06-14 15:58 ` Andrew Maizels
2002-06-14 17:00   ` chris.danx
2002-06-14 18:44     ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-14 20:26       ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-14 22:06         ` Ehud Lamm
2002-06-14 22:01           ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-14 22:38             ` sk
2002-06-15 11:28               ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-15 18:10                 ` sk
2002-06-15 14:30               ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-15 17:36                 ` sk
2002-06-16  3:08                 ` Gautier
2002-06-16  0:05               ` AG
2002-06-16 21:05                 ` Gautier
2002-06-14 23:10             ` tmoran
2002-06-15 14:19         ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-15 23:04           ` Darren New
2002-06-15 23:38             ` Darren New
2002-06-17 10:56           ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-17 19:56             ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-17 20:47               ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 18:10                 ` Brian Rogoff
2002-06-18 18:51                   ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 19:08                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-18 20:47                       ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2002-06-19  5:28                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2002-06-18 14:01               ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-14 20:58 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 21:30   ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-15  1:24     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-15  3:02 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-15 21:54 ` AG
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-14 22:28 Gautier direct_replies_not_read
2002-06-15 14:43 ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 22:18 Beard, Frank [Contractor]
2002-06-15  1:38 ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-14 22:08 Beard, Frank [Contractor]
2002-06-14 20:36 Beard, Frank [Contractor]
2002-06-14 21:34 ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-15  4:14   ` Lyle McKennot
2002-06-14 20:06 Gautier no_direct_reply_please
2002-06-14 20:48 ` Baugereau
2002-06-15 14:38   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 19:42 Gautier no_direct_reply_please
2002-06-15 15:08 ` Simon Wright
2002-06-15 22:52 ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-16  0:38   ` AG
2002-06-17 14:15     ` Marin David Condic
2002-06-18 13:52       ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 15:41         ` Darren New
2002-06-18 18:04         ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-19  1:04           ` Rod Haper
2002-06-16 22:19   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-16 23:02     ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-17  7:07       ` Kevin Cline
2002-06-18 20:54         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-18 22:15           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-14  0:49 Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-14  1:28 ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-14  1:43   ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-14  4:53     ` David Marceau
2002-06-14  6:40       ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-14  6:49       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-06-14 12:18       ` Baugereau
2002-06-14 16:30         ` David Marceau
2002-06-14 17:34           ` Baugereau
2002-06-14 19:01             ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-14 19:43               ` Baugereau
2002-06-15  3:02                 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2002-06-15  9:49                   ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17 15:53                     ` Dan Andreatta
2002-06-17 18:20                       ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-17 20:56                     ` Michael Bode
2002-06-17 21:18                       ` Pascal Obry
2002-06-16 21:52                   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 20:02     ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-14  3:14   ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14  4:35     ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-14  8:05       ` David Marceau
2002-06-14 12:31         ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-14 15:08         ` Darren New
2002-06-17  0:17           ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-14 19:05         ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-16  3:34           ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-16  3:32         ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-14  8:25       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-14 12:19         ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-14 14:51           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-06-14 15:09             ` Darren New
2002-06-16 22:49               ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-16 15:07                 ` Jim Rogers
2002-06-17  4:06                   ` Darren New
2002-06-17  4:52                     ` Jim Rogers
2002-06-17  9:45                       ` David Marceau
2002-06-17 15:42                       ` Darren New
2002-06-17  3:59                 ` Darren New
2002-06-17 22:19                   ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-06-14 12:58       ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-14 22:16         ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-15  1:22           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-15  0:51             ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-15 11:49               ` Immanuel Scholz
2002-06-15 21:45             ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-14 14:59       ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-16  3:27         ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-16 22:18           ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-16 22:38           ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 15:00       ` Ted Dennison
2002-06-14 20:13         ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-14 18:52       ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-15 22:03         ` Robert A Duff
2002-06-16  1:58           ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-16  3:19             ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-06-16 22:20         ` Wes Groleau
2002-06-17  1:57           ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-06-17  2:16           ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-06-14 15:25   ` John R. Strohm
2002-06-15  4:05     ` Lyle McKennot
2002-06-17 13:32       ` Marin David Condic
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