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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@shell01.TheWorld.com>
Subject: Re: Elaboration order handling (Was: Bug in 'gnatmake')
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 19:47:41 -0400
Date: 2013-06-21T19:47:41-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wccli6381r6.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: kq2h6n$vta$2@dont-email.me

Jeffrey Carter <spam.jrcarter.not@spam.not.acm.org> writes:

> On 06/21/2013 01:43 PM, Adam Beneschan wrote:
>> Well, it could have, prior to Ada 2005.  That's no longer possible, because
>> of null procedures.
>
> Ah, yes, another unnecessary shortcut.

It is important to the way interfaces work that procedures can be known
to do nothing on their SPEC.  I suppose it would be possible to allow
"is begin null; end;" on the spec, but that would be more complicated
-- requires either special syntax rules, or special semantic rules.

So "is null;" makes sense for that.

It is also useful for optimization purposes for procedures to be
known to do nothing.  E.g. Finalize defaults to doing nothing,
so a type that does not override Finalize can be optimized to avoid
finalization overhead, without looking at bodies of non-visible things.

> I addressed this in detail in a reply to Duff. Basically, I find it hard
> to find a specific declaration when reading such languages.

It takes some getting used to, but I don't find it onerous.  You already
need to search for things in Ada as it is -- the declaration could be in
some outer block or procedure or parent package or some use-claused
package.

And in some cases, it makes it EASIER to find the declaration, because it
comes just before.  Compare:

        X, Y : T;
        Init (X, Y);
        ... -- 100 lines
    begin

versus:

        X, Y : T;
        ... -- 100 lines
    begin
        Init (X, Y); -- far away from X and Y

- Bob


  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-21 23:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-17 10:57 Range check for type 'Integer' Peter Brooks
2013-06-17 11:23 ` Simon Clubley
2013-06-17 11:54   ` Simon Wright
2013-06-17 12:55   ` Peter Brooks
2013-06-17 13:28     ` Shark8
2013-06-17 13:45       ` Peter Brooks
2013-06-17 21:16         ` Shark8
2013-06-18 10:48     ` Stephen Leake
2013-06-17 12:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2013-06-17 13:23 ` Bug in 'gnatmake' (Was: Range check for type 'Integer') Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-06-17 13:32   ` Bug in 'gnatmake' Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-06-17 16:50   ` Bug in 'gnatmake' (Was: Range check for type 'Integer') Robert A Duff
2013-06-17 19:15     ` Peter Brooks
2013-06-17 21:09       ` Shark8
2013-06-17 21:22       ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-18  1:21         ` Peter Brooks
2013-06-18  6:33           ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-18  7:29       ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-06-17 18:49   ` Bug in 'gnatmake' Simon Wright
2013-06-18  9:09     ` Elaboration order handling (Was: Bug in 'gnatmake') Jacob Sparre Andersen
2013-06-18 17:09       ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-18 22:52         ` Adam Beneschan
2013-06-19  1:21           ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-19 12:38             ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-19 20:43               ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-06-20  0:37                 ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-20 19:56                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-06-19 12:22           ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-19 15:46             ` Adam Beneschan
2013-06-19 16:41               ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-19 20:47               ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-06-19 21:36                 ` Adam Beneschan
2013-06-20  0:57                 ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-20  1:09                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-20  2:29                     ` Adam Beneschan
2013-06-20  6:08                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-20 15:11                     ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-21  5:26                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-21 15:48                         ` Adam Beneschan
2013-06-21 18:35                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-21 19:10                             ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-21 21:27                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-21 20:43                             ` Adam Beneschan
2013-06-21 21:44                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2013-06-21 23:47                                 ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2013-06-23 14:43                                   ` AdaMagica
2013-06-21 18:58                         ` null declarative parts (was: Re: Elaboration order handling) Robert A Duff
2013-06-21 20:42                           ` null declarative parts Georg Bauhaus
2013-06-20  2:11                   ` Elaboration order handling (Was: Bug in 'gnatmake') Adam Beneschan
2013-06-20 14:44                     ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-20 11:24                   ` G.B.
2013-06-20 15:23                     ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-19 21:00             ` Georg Bauhaus
2013-06-19 22:26             ` Randy Brukardt
2013-06-20  0:31               ` Robert A Duff
2013-06-20 21:36                 ` Randy Brukardt
2013-06-19 13:07         ` Bill Findlay
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