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From: Robert A Duff <bobduff@world.std.com>
Subject: Re: RISC
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:30:06 GMT
Date: 2001-03-20T22:30:06+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wcck85koyz5.fsf@world.std.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 998ctp$ond$1@nh.pace.co.uk

"Marin David Condic" <marin.condic.auntie.spam@pacemicro.com> writes:

> Sounds to me like it says: "If you use an address clause to achieve an
> overlay you are being a very bad, bad, programmer and should be made to stay
> after programming school and write on the blackboard 'Thou Shalt Not
> Overlay' 1000 times and learn that the compiler cannot save you if you do
> stupid things like this. But if nobody is looking and the compiler doesn't
> complain and it works anyway, the LRM won't have anything against this..."

Erroneous means that, but it also means that your program can do
absolutely anything, including wipe out your disk or (much worse) work
properly until you port it or turn on the optimizer or upgrade your
compiler.

The "erroneous" rule about overlays was removed from Ada 95 quite
deliberately, because it was recognized that there are (rare)
circumstances where it makes sense to use overlays.  And because we
weren't entirely sure what "overlay" means in a formal sense.

Most of the remaining rules about "erroneous" are there for good reason:
eg, an optimizing compiler really might do something very surprising,
causing subtle bugs that occur only rarely.

And note that rare bugs are the ones that matter.  A bug that occurs the
first time you run the program will be found right away, and fixed.  A
rare bug might escape to customers.

- Bob



  reply	other threads:[~2001-03-20 22:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-14 20:23 RISC chris.danx
2001-03-14 21:57 ` RISC Tucker Taft
2001-03-14 22:36   ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-14 23:03     ` RISC Fraser Wilson
2001-03-15  1:30       ` RISC Corey Ashford
2001-03-15  9:19       ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-15 12:37 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-15 13:03   ` RISC Tarjei T. Jensen
2001-03-15 18:29     ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-15 14:40   ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-15 14:49     ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-15 17:37       ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-15 18:28         ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-15 19:16           ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16  8:44             ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-16 14:40               ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-20 10:17                 ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-20 14:34                   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-20 15:45                     ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-20 16:39                       ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-20 18:10                       ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-20 18:56                         ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-22  9:16                       ` RISC - largish (code listed) Martin Dowie
2001-03-22  9:34                         ` Martin Dowie
2001-03-20 18:09                     ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-20 20:00                       ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-20 22:30                         ` Robert A Duff [this message]
2001-03-20 22:48                           ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-20 23:10                           ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-21  0:18                             ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-21 14:31                               ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-21 16:47                                 ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-21 17:36                                   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16 15:09             ` RISC Tucker Taft
2001-03-16 17:10               ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 19:02                 ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16 20:58                   ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-19 16:17                     ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 16:45                       ` RISC Florian Weimer
2001-03-19 17:14                         ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 17:33                           ` RISC Florian Weimer
2001-03-21  5:57                           ` RISC Lao Xiao Hai
2001-03-16 22:19                   ` RISC Ted Dennison
2001-03-16 19:13                 ` RISC Laurent Guerby
2001-03-16 20:30                   ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 20:51                 ` RISC Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-03-16 18:33               ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16 20:45                 ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-17  1:13                   ` RISC Randy Brukardt
2001-03-19 16:34                   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 17:49                     ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-16 20:08 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-16 20:31   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-17 21:51     ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-18  6:37       ` RISC Charles Hixson
2001-03-19 15:42         ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-19 17:02         ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 17:45           ` RISC Robert A Duff
2001-03-19 18:48             ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-19 16:45       ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-16 22:27 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-17  2:49   ` RISC Jeffrey Carter
2001-03-19  9:43   ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-19 11:06     ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-28 22:24     ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-29  0:52       ` RISC Corey Ashford
2001-03-29 12:42       ` RISC John English
2001-03-22 20:11 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-22 20:51   ` RISC Marin David Condic
2001-03-22 21:02   ` RISC tmoran
2001-03-22 21:18     ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-22 21:45   ` RISC Britt Snodgrass
2001-03-22 22:43     ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-28 11:37   ` RISC chris.danx
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-03-16 23:25 RISC Beard, Frank
2001-03-17 11:39 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-29  3:12 RISC Beard, Frank
2001-03-29  7:28 ` RISC Martin Dowie
2001-03-29 12:38 ` RISC chris.danx
2001-03-29 19:07 ` RISC Chad R. Meiners
2001-03-29 17:52 RISC Beard, Frank
2001-03-30 17:31 RISC Kent Paul Dolan
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